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Old 07-30-2024, 10:24 AM   #17521
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Old 07-30-2024, 10:27 AM   #17522
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I think it was Dubya who called Trump weird, or something along the lines of his inauguration being weird ####.

The the heck happened to the Republican Party. They always had some nut jobs, but this isn't the same party like Bush and McCain, heck even Romney was normal.
Except for his binders full of women
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Romney was Republican normal in that his weirdness was all religious in nature.
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The tea party is what happened to Republicans. It marked a major realignment of the parties, with a white working class shift from Democrat to Republican and a college-educated shift from Republican to Democrat.
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Old 07-30-2024, 11:02 AM   #17525
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Pretty great speech overall by Biden. Without the pressure of running and a looming second term (hopefully one with the torch carried by his current VP), he seems pretty free of the stress. Don't know how much can get pushed through, but certainly going out in a blaze of glory with SC reform and constitutional amendments.

Great speech.
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The tea party is what happened to Republicans. It marked a major realignment of the parties, with a white working class shift from Democrat to Republican and a college-educated shift from Republican to Democrat.
Wait what? Kerry beat Bush 55-44 among College educated voters and Obama increased that margin to 57-38. The Tea Party became a thing after the 2008 election.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/107110/...rrys-2004.aspx
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Old 07-30-2024, 11:08 AM   #17527
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Modern conservatism is a response to Social justice* becoming the dominant cultural driver.

Most art and entertainment prioritizes social justice, especially on social media. This has replaced and in many cases contradicts the previous cultural norms. Until the 2010s the dominant cultural driver in the USA was Christianity. Now those people and their ideals are no longer at the center on American art and entertainment.

The previous GOP was a polite and well structured party because they shared and promoted the dominant cultural values. Now that they do not ( at least in the world of pop culture and media) they are expressing themselves as rebels who need to fight the system. this has opened the doors to popularizing people who push against social justice*. many of whom do so by being flippant and brash.


* I'm not sure exactly what the right word to use is, though politically correct kind of hammers the point home about how pervasive "progressive ideology is.
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Old 07-30-2024, 11:36 AM   #17528
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More or less the entire case for Shapiro is made right here.

On the other hand, if they need Shapiro to get across the line in Pennsylvania, they've almost surely lost the election.

It basically comes down to Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. If Harris wins all 3, she's President (barring something really weird happening elsewhere). If she loses any of them, then there isn't really a viable path, unless somehow she could win Georgia or North Carolina while losing one of the above 3 (which seems very unlikely).
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Old 07-30-2024, 11:58 AM   #17529
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Funny poll out of Florida:

President – Trump vs Harris: 49% - 42%

Senate – Scott (R) vs Powell (D): 47% - 43%

Legalize marijuana: 64% Yes - 31% No

Constitutional amendment to allow abortion up to 24 weeks (or beyond that in cases of maternal health): 69% Yes - 23% No


I don't know you even approach that as a Democrat. A large segment of the population will vote for a policy, but then simultaneously vote for candidates that will do whatever they can to make that policy illegal.
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It basically comes down to Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. If Harris wins all 3, she's President (barring something really weird happening elsewhere). If she loses any of them, then there isn't really a viable path, unless somehow she could win Georgia or North Carolina while losing one of the above 3 (which seems very unlikely).
You're not wrong. She can lose one of Wisconsin or Michigan if she also takes Arizona and Nevada which would of course be the thinking behind picking Kelly. But she absolutely needs Pennsylvania.

But I don't see how that translates to "if they need Shapiro to win PA, they've lost already". If they need Shapiro to win PA, and they go with Shapiro and he wins them PA, they're in a strong position to win the whole thing.
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Funny poll out of Florida:

President – Trump vs Harris: 49% - 42%

Senate – Scott (R) vs Powell (D): 47% - 43%

Legalize marijuana: 64% Yes - 31% No

Constitutional amendment to allow abortion up to 24 weeks (or beyond that in cases of maternal health): 69% Yes - 23% No


I don't know you even approach that as a Democrat. A large segment of the population will vote for a policy, but then simultaneously vote for candidates that will do whatever they can to make that policy illegal.
So single policies on their own ultimately matter less to the voter than the party and that party's leader. Where a party stands officially on policies isn't enough to get the vote.
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Old 07-30-2024, 12:10 PM   #17532
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It basically comes down to Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. If Harris wins all 3, she's President (barring something really weird happening elsewhere). If she loses any of them, then there isn't really a viable path, unless somehow she could win Georgia or North Carolina while losing one of the above 3 (which seems very unlikely).
Vox had a good article which goes over the various paths:

https://www.vox.com/politics/363256/...ng-state-polls

Loses all three of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania: "She would have to win all four of Georgia, North Carolina, Nevada, and Arizona — that would give her 275 electoral votes"

Wins Michigan, but loses Wisconsin and Pennsylvania: "Winning both Georgia and North Carolina would be enough to put her over the top. Alternatively, winning one of those two plus both Nevada and Arizona would do it"

Wins Michigan and Pennsylvania, but loses Wisconsin: "Adding Pennsylvania would put her close — at 260 electoral votes. She would only need to win one of Georgia, North Carolina, or Arizona to put her over the top. (Nevada’s electoral vote haul is too small to get her there.)"
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Funny poll out of Florida:

President – Trump vs Harris: 49% - 42%

Senate – Scott (R) vs Powell (D): 47% - 43%

Legalize marijuana: 64% Yes - 31% No

Constitutional amendment to allow abortion up to 24 weeks (or beyond that in cases of maternal health): 69% Yes - 23% No


I don't know you even approach that as a Democrat. A large segment of the population will vote for a policy, but then simultaneously vote for candidates that will do whatever they can to make that policy illegal.
I think a local government ballot would be interesting to see if it maintains that affect. The above results could be explained by states rights. Get the Feds out of our business. Like if De Santis has similar numbers to Trump while actively trying to ban abortion this it would be unexplainable
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"Shutting down" as in "oh no, all of this negative PR is hurting us too much, so we'll hide it for a while and dust it off immediately once we've made it back to the White House".

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Not sure if it's been posted yet, but Pete Buttigieg was on the the Daily Show this week, and it's so refreshing to hear an educated, intellectual speaker with humility, tact and formidable delivery; he'd be an absolutely terrific pick for VP, but I'm also sure he's too progressive, brainy and smart for most American's palettes these days (not mine, but the Republican cult and possibly undecided voters for sure). He's also gay, which may be a problem (for some archaic reason) for many people.



He is the type of leader that America needs right now.
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Old 07-30-2024, 02:17 PM   #17538
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I think Kelly's got to be the VP pick. How do you beat the first woman AND woman of color for President with a side of astronaut? I like Buttigieg (I also like the idea that have a black woman President and a gay VP is a conservative mind explosion), but I think it might just be woke overload for some.

Although I do think the "America won't vote for a black woman or a gay person" thing is itself and outdated idea more perpetuated by media asking about it than by people actually being concerned by it. In fact, as we are seeing with Harris, having a ticket that reflects the electorate more closely is something that is a Boone for people who were disillusioned about voting at all, especially young people. Moderate conservatives under 40 don't care about race or sexual identity or gender. People who won't vote for a black or gay president are already hard republican voters anyways, you have no need to attempt to win them over. It's actually become the reverse where an actual attack on those grounds would be deemed as pretty revolting even to most conservative people. Like if Trump all of sudden starts shouting "look, they got a black girl and a gay guy, amirite?!", that's not going to carry very far.

Still, I'm for the astronaut.
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All that worry for nothing if this tweet about Project 2025 being no more is true!
This should be in green text right? There's no way that Project 2025 is dead, they just overplayed their hand and made the whole thing public too soon. They might shuffle some chairs around and remove the website, but every goal in that project will still be a part of the GOP platform if Trump wins
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I think Kelly's got to be the VP pick. How do you beat the first woman AND woman of color for President with a side of astronaut? I like Buttigieg (I also like the idea that have a black woman President and a gay VP is a conservative mind explosion), but I think it might just be woke overload for some.

Although I do think the "America won't vote for a black woman or a gay person" thing is itself and outdated idea more perpetuated by media asking about it than by people actually being concerned by it. In fact, as we are seeing with Harris, having a ticket that reflects the electorate more closely is something that is a Boone for people who were disillusioned about voting at all, especially young people. Moderate conservatives under 40 don't care about race or sexual identity or gender. People who won't vote for a black or gay president are already hard republican voters anyways, you have no need to attempt to win them over. It's actually become the reverse where an actual attack on those grounds would be deemed as pretty revolting even to most conservative people. Like if Trump all of sudden starts shouting "look, they got a black girl and a gay guy, amirite?!", that's not going to carry very far.

Still, I'm for the astronaut.
The biggest issue with Kelly is he's the only way to keep that senate seat in Dem hands, if he vacates for the VP role then Democrats losing the senate goes from possibly to almost guaranteed. For that alone I think it's down to Walz and Shapiro now
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