Israel declares war on Hamas

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Thank you. I meant that Iron dome missiles are designed to destroy missiles in the air and thus have small payload. Hezbollah's missiles, on the other hand, are designed to create as much damage on the ground, as possible.

People, who claim that it was a misfired Israel interceptor, are just mirroring what Israel sometimes does: claims, that a blast in Gaza was caused by misfired Hamas missile. It's understandable, but wrong for purely military reasons. Hamas missiles are designed to create huge blast on the ground. So if they misfire and fall in Gaza, they create huge blast. Iron dome missiles do not.

Is it your speculation or is it factual that payloads are smaller on Iron dome missles vs Heaboloah rockets?

[Pointman]

The outer layers are the Arrow-2 and Arrow-3 systems, designed to intercept ballistic missiles fired from thousands of kilometres away. The Arrow-2 is optimised for destroying missiles in the atmosphere, while the Arrow-3 can hit them while they are coasting in space. Both are meant to minimise the chance that warheads or payloads from the destroyed targets cause harm on the ground

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISR...E/mypmkljzopr/

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by GGG

Is it your speculation or is it factual that payloads are smaller on Iron dome missles vs Heaboloah rockets?

Iron dome rocket payload is 11 kilos. That Hezbollah rocket has 50 kilos:

The warhead is believed to carry 11 kilograms of high explosives, IHS Jane’s said. Its range is from 4 km to 70 km (2.5 miles to 43 miles).

The IDF has said that the rocket was an Iranian-made Falaq-1 with a warhead of over 50 kilograms (110 pounds) of explosives

https://www.timesofisrael.com/lebano...ipartite-probe

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/09/world...-dg/index.html

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Russia, an Iran ally, also condemned the attack. Of course, they added that the way Israel respond to terrorism is unacceptable. But pretty much every leader clearly sees it as attack on Israel.

https://ria-ru.turbopages.org/turbo/...962460229.html

Cool, Russia too. If Israel doesn't like being attacked on land that doesn't belong to them they could, you know, just leave it. Something Russia might consider too.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Cool, Russia too. If Israel doesn't like being attacked on land that doesn't belong to them they could, you know, just leave it. Something Russia might consider too.

If Israel leaves Golan Heights, attacks won't stop. Hezbollah said as much. They want Israel to go away entirely. With Russia, everyone wants Russia to go back to their borders. If Russia withdraws troops, the war stops. Big difference.

[Manhattanboy]

Nm

[Zary's-Mustache]

Would not be shocked if this was israel doing the killing of these children playing soccer.

Not like they don't have a track record of killing of thousands of children in last few months.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Iron dome rocket payload is 11 kilos. That Hezbollah rocket has 50 kilos:

The warhead is believed to carry 11 kilograms of high explosives, IHS Jane’s said. Its range is from 4 km to 70 km (2.5 miles to 43 miles).

The IDF has said that the rocket was an Iranian-made Falaq-1 with a warhead of over 50 kilograms (110 pounds) of explosives

https://www.timesofisrael.com/lebano...ipartite-probe

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/09/world...-dg/index.html

So now are you qualified to diagnos the difference bewtween a 50kg explosion vs an 11kg explosion?

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Russia, an Iran ally, also condemned the attack. Of course, they added that the way Israel respond to terrorism is unacceptable. But pretty much every leader clearly sees it as attack on Israel.

https://ria-ru.turbopages.org/turbo/...962460229.html

So what?

Why would hezbollah perpetuate this attack and then deny they did it? The purpose of a terrorist organization is to terrorize. If a terrorist organization denies a attack then you should probably believe them.

Hezbollah may be a scummy organization but they don't target children. Look at the recent attacks and how many israeli soldiers they've killed in comparison with civilians. They've minimized civilian casualties without using fighter jets or pinpoint bombs like Israel does. Even with all the technology Israel has they still kill far more civilians than terrorists.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

So what?

Why would hezbollah perpetuate this attack and then deny they did it? The purpose of a terrorist organization is to terrorize. If a terrorist organization denies a attack then you should probably believe them.

Hezbollah may be a scummy organization but they don't target children. Look at the recent attacks and how many israeli soldiers they've killed in comparison with civilians. They've minimized civilian casualties without using fighter jets or pinpoint bombs like Israel does. Even with all the technology Israel has they still kill far more civilians than terrorists.

Terrorist organizations deny involvement all the time, after they see how attacks are received internationally.

Hezbollah likely carried out this attack thinking they'd found some kind of soft Israeli target. Then the result was a bunch of dead Muslim children, and they deny involvement.

[Fuzz]

It sounds like it was an unguided rocket, so just as likely they didn't target anything in particular. Or they did, and it missed.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Cool, Russia too. If Israel doesn't like being attacked on land that doesn't belong to them they could, you know, just leave it. Something Russia might consider too.

The trouble is there is a significant and very violent portion of the Palestinian population and Iran that backs them that believes that all of Israel is 'land that doesn't belong to them' so it doesn't really matter what Israel does they will still be attacked

This then leaves Israel viewing land strategically; to give up the Golan Heights and the West Bank is to give up the high ground overlooking the whole of Israel and a days march to the coast, from a military point of view that is suicide

[blankall]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The trouble is there is a significant and very violent portion of the Palestinian population and Iran that backs them that believes that all of Israel is 'land that doesn't belong to them' so it doesn't really matter what Israel does they will still be attacked

This then leaves Israel viewing land strategically; to give up the Golan Heights and the West Bank is to give up the high ground overlooking the whole of Israel and a days march to the coast, from a military point of view that is suicide

There's zero chance Israel, or anyone else, would ever give up the Golan Heights. The vast majority of Israel's population lives in low lying coastal areas. Areas that would be directly observable by Syria from the Golan Heights.

It's also very sparsely populations and not all that habitable, with a total population of about 45,000.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Pointman

To intercept incoming missiles.

That's the easy answer, Israel wouldn't have built the dome if their crazy neighbours wouldn't lob thousands of bombs and missiles at them but yet somehow the Jews are being called terrorists in this thread.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by blankall

Terrorist organizations deny involvement all the time, after they see how attacks are received internationally.

Hezbollah likely carried out this attack thinking they'd found some kind of soft Israeli target. Then the result was a bunch of dead Muslim children, and they deny involvement.

Druze aren't muslim.

That tactic you mentioned is a well known israeli tactic. Like the time they threatened to bomb a hospital and then bombed that hospital and then denied it.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

That's the easy answer, Israel wouldn't have built the dome if their crazy neighbours wouldn't lob thousands of bombs and missiles at them but yet somehow the Jews are being called terrorists in this thread.

Nobody has called jews terrorists. That's your lack of reading comprehension.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Nobody has called jews terrorists. That's your lack of reading comprehension.

Sorry, just the Jewish military for defending the Jewish population

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

That tactic you mentioned is a well known israeli tactic. Like the time they threatened to bomb a hospital and then bombed that hospital and then denied it.

Are you seriously stating that Israel bombed that soccer field?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

So what?

Why would hezbollah perpetuate this attack and then deny they did it? The purpose of a terrorist organization is to terrorize. If a terrorist organization denies a attack then you should probably believe them.

Hezbollah may be a scummy organization but they don't target children. Look at the recent attacks and how many israeli soldiers they've killed in comparison with civilians. They've minimized civilian casualties without using fighter jets or pinpoint bombs like Israel does. Even with all the technology Israel has they still kill far more civilians than terrorists.

Sorry I missed his second paragraph earlier. Israeli civilian casualties are low, because Israel goes to great lengths to protect their own citizens. They've built up anti-missiles systems and provide civilian populations with bomb shelters anti air raid sirens. Even in this instance, air raid sirens rang out and many people were able to get to bomb shelters nearby. The air raid sirens just didn't sound soon enough to give the crowd enough time to evacuate.

Conversely, Hamas goes to great lengths to expose their citizens to danger. They put their military installations in spots that have as many civilians (and hospitals and schools) as shields as possible.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Sorry, just the Jewish military for defending the Jewish population

That's correct.

But you've been asked to explain to us as to why they're not.
A is not really a strong argument.
Here. Try again.

Originally Posted by Bagor

Why don't you educate us then? Is he describing terrorism here and if not, why not?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1815348253212246440