2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

You want a tank. A rebuild is not a tank. A tank is something you put oil in. Oilers tank.


In all seriousness, Conroy has been incomprehensibly better at asset management than Treliving was for us. Treliving rarely traded expiring UFA's for example.

I’d rather be at the phase the Oilers are in right now which requires franchise
/generational pieces. You can’t obtain these without being really bad. How is an over the hill Kadri for instance going to help this team in 4 or 5 years? Might as well just trade him now and tank hard.

Knowing we’re going to suck already sucks, but knowing that we’re going to suck and draft top 3 is much better than knowing we’re going to suck and probably draft 9th or 10th again.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They will be a bottom 5 team for sure next year. Kadri can control where he goes and there’s zero rush to trade Andersson. They traded their starting goalie and signed no impactful UFAs.

Will we? I’m not so sure. Kadri makes this team significantly better and his current value might be as high as it’s going to ever be. Getting out of his contract and obtaining quality futures would be so much more beneficial 5 years from now than whatever he’ll accomplish for us this coming season. This organization cannot afford to botch another rebuild.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Will we? I’m not so sure. Kadri makes this team significantly better and his current value might be as high as it’s going to ever be. Getting out of his contract and obtaining quality futures would be so much more beneficial 5 years from now than whatever he’ll accomplish for us this coming season. This organization cannot afford to botch another rebuild.

Yeah, they were a bottom ten team last year and the roster is significantly worse. That also can’t trade Kadri if he says no.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I highly doubt it’s Murray Edward’s mandate to trade Markstrom and Mangiapane but to keep Andersson and Kadri. The team has a lot of cap space left, so either use it to be the best team you can be and try to make the playoffs or trade the rest of the core and go full rebuild. A retool without any real tools to build a franchise core with is just going to predictably result in more first round losses or early exits again and again.

Still need to be above the cap floor. I can bet you the mandate isn’t to rebuild like the Oilers did and take 15 years to do so. It was complete incompetence that landed the Oilers McDavid. They were actually trying to compete with Hall, Eberle and Nuge, but didn’t know how to build a hockey team. They are not the model for anything.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

There’s a part of me that hopes we get zero points next season so that the ‘we need to be even worse than bad’ brigade will be satiated and take a break.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Still need to be above the cap floor. I can bet you the mandate isn’t to rebuild like the Oilers did and take 15 years to do so. It was complete incompetence that landed the Oilers McDavid. They were actually trying to compete with Hall, Eberle and Nuge, but didn’t know how to build a hockey team. They are not the model for anything.

Keeping Kadri for the full length of his contract actually extends the rebuild.

Kadri will not be part of a future Flames contending team.

Going scorched earth is the fastest way to rebuild.

[Sofa GM]

Would certainly love to weaponize cap space to get prospects and picks, while taking on low value contracts.

What about the Capitals, they did some weird things. Would something like this work,

To CGY
Oshie
Lapierre

To WSH
Pelletier
2025 3rd

Calgary is likely on Oshies NTC, but could recover a nice asset at the deadline for him with retention.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Keeping Kadri for the full length of his contract actually extends the rebuild.

Kadri will not be part of a future Flames contending team.

Going scorched earth is the fastest way to rebuild.

You can't go scorched Earth. Nobody is taking Huberdeau's contract and Kadri doesn't want to move. Like it or not those two are not going anywhere and I doubt Weegar is either.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Would certainly love to weaponize cap space to get prospects and picks, while taking on low value contracts.

What about the Capitals, they did some weird things. Would something like this work,

To CGY
Oshie
Lapierre

To WSH
Pelletier
2025 3rd

Calgary is likely on Oshies NTC, but could recover a nice asset at the deadline for him with retention.

Why are we giving up better assets to Washington here? This makes zero sense at all.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why are we giving up better assets to Washington here? This makes zero sense at all.

I certainly don’t see Pelletier as close to the same asset as Lappiere, unless I’m missing something and that is certainly possible. He was almost 0.5 pts per game last year as a 22 yr old, shifty player and can play center. You easily upgrade the 3rd round pick by moving Oshie at the deadline.

[Toonage]

Oshie said he'd play 1 more year if his body allowed it. Dude was almost crippled by the end of last season. I doubt he spends his last year in Calgary.
Or that he'll even be healthy enough again to even garner consideration at the deadline if he were still playing.

Also, does Salim even know how the eye emoji game is played? Do like Leslie does. Throw them up when something is imminent.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Oshie said he'd play 1 more year if his body allowed it. Dude was almost crippled by the end of last season. I doubt he spends his last year in Calgary.
Or that he'll even be healthy enough again to even garner consideration at the deadline if he were still playing.

Also, does Salim even know how the eye emoji game is played? Do like Leslie does. Throw them up when something is imminent.

Fair enough, thanks for the info. I had no idea that Oshie was that banged up.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You can't go scorched Earth. Nobody is taking Huberdeau's contract and Kadri doesn't want to move. Like it or not those two are not going anywhere and I doubt Weegar is either.

We've already gone scorched earth. We still need cap floor contracts.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Fair enough, thanks for the info. I had no idea that Oshie was that banged up.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/washin...rep-nhl-future

[Jason14h]

No team will ever have an issue hitting the cap floor haha . You don’t need to “keep” contracts the hit the cap floor

I think the Flames should move Anderson and Coleman to ensure a bottom 5 finish . And then Kadri may want out and you move him

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

No team will ever have an issue hitting the cap floor haha . You don’t need to “keep” contracts the hit the cap floor

I think the Flames should move Anderson and Coleman to ensure a bottom 5 finish . And then Kadri may want out and you move him

I tend to agree, Coleman would have been a sell high with his past season. May not be an attractive to move if his production regresses this upcoming season. Have to think Andersson would return a haul with that contract, that is something that should be capitalized upon.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

No team will ever have an issue hitting the cap floor haha . You don’t need to “keep” contracts the hit the cap floor

I think the Flames should move Anderson and Coleman to ensure a bottom 5 finish . And then Kadri may want out and you move him

The cap floor is 65 million, the Flames are at 66. On a 23 man roster you do "need" some higher contracts to get there.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I tend to agree, Coleman would have been a sell high with his past season. May not be an attractive to move if his production regresses this upcoming season. Have to think Andersson would return a haul with that contract, that is something that should be capitalized upon.

Personally I’m against stripping the defence to bare bones. Normally I would be fine with it but you don’t want to kill Wolf’s confidence. If anything I think they need to get some big guys to clear the front of the net for him. Trade any forward though.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Keeping Kadri for the full length of his contract actually extends the rebuild.

Kadri will not be part of a future Flames contending team.

Going scorched earth is the fastest way to rebuild.

It takes longer to do things quickly; it's more expensive to do them cheaply; it's more democratic to do them in secret.

[Pickle Juice]

Sec,

Do you have any updates from the golf game or did you have to many sodas?