Jasper Evacuated due to wildfire

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by marsplasticeraser

it’s wild to hear flames 300’ in the air.

I’m not sure what can be done with fires like that, but would having brick homes like they do in the uk make a difference?

Like if they rebuild Jasper will the architectural style and building codes change to brick buildings with fire ######ant roofs, or will that not really help in a fire like this?

Having lived in the uk and seen homes built it was somewhat incredible how little wood was used. Cinder clocks, steel, and then bricks on exterior.

Well...if Fernie, BC ever burns again (please don't, Fernie), we'll see an answer to that question. They were wiped out in 1904 & 1908 and afterward, most of the buildings were rebuilt of stone and brick. So, if a fire ever comes through like that again and only those buildings remain standing, I guess you'd have your answer.

[soreshins]

I had a trip booked up to Jasper the week after next. We love it up there. Just so sad if the town truly has been wiped out. I hope residents and businesses can somehow recover from this over time but it’s going to take a massive toll. Unbelievable.

[soreshins]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Yeah looking grim

https://twitter.com/user/status/1816494189338566866

That’s brutal

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s exactly because the risks are so low that you’d never get buy-in for a firebreak the size of which would be necessary to actually stop a town like Canmore or Banff from burning down.

You can pop over to the thread about logging near and around trails to see how quickly people resorted to insults and telling others to shut up for taking any position that wasn’t apoplectic defiance against their recreational “views” being altered. Or look at any conversation about improving the economical viability of places like Canmore or Banff. People get genuinely upset over anything that even hints at changing how they wanted these places to be 20 years ago (let alone how they are now).

I guarantee it won’t just be residents either. You’ll have thousands of people loudly opposed to altering places like Banff because it will harm their ability to enjoy the view when they visit, not giving a crap about the people at risk.

Totally.

Canmore residents are even crazier than Banff residents by a long shot. Banff has such a transient population...you're in for a couple years then you move on when you're tired of sleeping five people to a room and making minimum wage. For that reason, there isn't the vitriol against change. Lack of change is just baked into the town due to National Park rules versus foaming-at-the-mouth residents.

In Canmore, many residents think they, their town and their town's history is god's gift to the environment and can only exist under their strict stewardship. They're the dumbest people I've ever encountered. You can point to abandoned coal mining shafts, undermining risks and half a mountain they fkn blew up that's an absolute eyesore running parallel to the highway (north side) and they'll just look at you and squawk about not wanting a new grocery store (that's desperately needed). Run coal tailings into the river...heey, that's the past. Propose positive changes for the future? fK yOu CaLgArY bOy.

My favourite are these dopes that have huge houses along the main bike/walking path along the river. They all had "Don't Pave Paradise" signs and bellyached non-stop about paving this one section of path last year (the other 90% is already paved). Heaven forbid we make the path safer and more accessible for people. Nope, you're paving paradise and it affects my enjoyment of my jacuzzi on my wrap-around patio in my 3500sf cabin I go to for two nights a month.

I can't imagine getting buy in to alter the town because too many people think it was absolutely perfect the day they moved in and anything anybody wants done to change it after that magical date is blasphemous.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Yeah looking grim

It sucks to see the vast destruction and devastation but at the same time this provides a significant opportunity for new beginnings and re-development.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It sucks to see the vast destruction and devastation but at the same time this provides a significant opportunity for new beginnings and re-development.

Elite heartless ####### post, well done.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It sucks to see the vast destruction and devastation but at the same time this provides a significant opportunity for new beginnings and re-development.

People who live and work there are seasonal low wage folks. They are not redeveloping.

Fort Mac has still not recovered. Lytton is still an ashpile.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It sucks to see the vast destruction and devastation but at the same time this provides a significant opportunity for new beginnings and re-development.

Seriously? That's what runs through your head?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It sucks to see the vast destruction and devastation but at the same time this provides a significant opportunity for new beginnings and re-development.

Too soon dude - way too easy to say from your perch far away from the devastation as well. Many people lost everything, literally only a couple hours ago.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Totally.

Canmore residents are even crazier than Banff residents by a long shot. Banff has such a transient population...you're in for a couple years then you move on when you're tired of sleeping five people to a room and making minimum wage. For that reason, there isn't the vitriol against change. Lack of change is just baked into the town due to National Park rules versus foaming-at-the-mouth residents.

In Canmore, many residents think they, their town and their town's history is god's gift to the environment and can only exist under their strict stewardship. They're the dumbest people I've ever encountered. You can point to abandoned coal mining shafts, undermining risks and half a mountain they fkn blew up that's an absolute eyesore running parallel to the highway (north side) and they'll just look at you and squawk about not wanting a new grocery store (that's desperately needed). Run coal tailings into the river...heey, that's the past. Propose positive changes for the future? fK yOu CaLgArY bOy.

My favourite are these dopes that have huge houses along the main bike/walking path along the river. They all had "Don't Pave Paradise" signs and bellyached non-stop about paving this one section of path last year (the other 90% is already paved). Heaven forbid we make the path safer and more accessible for people. Nope, you're paving paradise and it affects my enjoyment of my jacuzzi on my wrap-around patio in my 3500sf cabin I go to for two nights a month.

I can't imagine getting buy in to alter the town because too many people think it was absolutely perfect the day they moved in and anything anybody wants done to change it after that magical date is blasphemous.

You ever sit back and think if maybe you are the one who is wrong?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You ever sit back and think if maybe you are the one who is wrong?

This is the dude that figures bears are a blight on his park enjoyment.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Muta

Too soon dude - way too easy to say from your perch far away from the devastation as well. Many people lost everything, literally only a couple hours ago.

What happened sucks but it was a risk that was known about for a significant period of time. With these types of catastrophic events comes an immediate sense of loss and desperation but these events also bring communities together to work on establishing a new path for the future.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This is the dude that figures bears are a blight on his park enjoyment.

Except in this case we’re talking about how much resistance would come if any government pursued a firebreak around these towns and he happens to be right.

[Samonadreau]

Heartbroken. Something that's different about Jasper is the residents don't own the land they are on. It's basically leased to them and the government owns the land. Just something I've been thinking about and how that might effect the people there in rebuilding or not.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Puberty was a catastrophic event for little transplant.

Yeah, it was nuts

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

What happened sucks but it was a risk that was known about for a significant period of time. With these types of catastrophic events comes an immediate sense of loss and desperation but these events also bring communities together to work on establishing a new path for the future.

Yeah, most residents haven't even had a chance to confirm their losses, and all you can think about is how it can be redeveloped. Maybe get them priorities in order?

[3thirty]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

What happened sucks but it was a risk that was known about for a significant period of time. With these types of catastrophic events comes an immediate sense of loss and desperation but these events also bring communities together to work on establishing a new path for the future.

But as others pointed out the two most recent devastating fires around have yet to see their towns rebuilt to where it was. Where do the funds come from? The government can't even support Health Care and other necessities, let alone rebuilding a town.

[Fuzz]

The floods in Canmore didn't result in some great re-birth, it just cost us loads in insurance increases, lost homes, trauma, and some slightly better protection. Like, not even a silver lining here.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Yeah, most residents haven't even had a chance to confirm their losses, and all you can think about is how it can be redeveloped. Maybe get them priorities in order?

I can think about multiple aspects of a situation at one time. I don't need to have tunnel vision and only see and react to the doom and gloom.

[Playfair]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/aMu...ibextid=xCPwDs
I don't know if this works. Devastating.