Breaking: Biden will not seek re-election

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by butterfly

The takeaway is Biden is reportedly mad that he got strongarmed out.

Got all the way to sentence 4? Way to go

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by butterfly

The takeaway is Biden is reportedly mad that he got strongarmed out.

Then he shouldn't have #### the bed so hard in the debate, he wasn't losing any support from his party until that happened. That will likely be remembered as the worst presidential debate performance of all time, there's no way the Democrats could stay unified behind him after that

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Got all the way to sentence 4? Way to go

I have no idea why you're mad at me. I enjoy your data-driven hockey threads and thoughtful posts. Is this a my-team-always-good thing?

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Then he shouldn't have #### the bed so hard in the debate, he wasn't losing any support from his party until that happened. That will likely be remembered as the worst presidential debate performance of all time, there's no way the Democrats could stay unified behind him after that

Yeah. No denying that, I guess.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I have no idea why you're mad at me. I enjoy your data-driven hockey threads and thoughtful posts. Is this a my-team-always-good thing?

Thanks. I’m not mad at you or anyone

But I don’t think the main point of that long article was simply ‘Biden’s mad’

It’s a natural detail of the situation, but not the big picture

It’s not even the headline. It’s pretty much sentence 4

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I enjoy ironing. Do you have any for me to do, or would you like to edit your post?

You seriously thought that was a mistake?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I have no idea why you're mad at me. I enjoy your data-driven hockey threads and thoughtful posts. Is this a my-team-always-good thing?

You are the one attacking posters like Cali because he isn't a pedo lover

Its not a two sides thing, Trump is far beyond "different opinions"

Things like Hitler and the holocaust are not debatable...Trump is in that category so don't be surprised by the pushback you are getting.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You are the one attacking posters like Cali because he isn't a pedo lover

Its not a two sides thing, Trump is far beyond "different opinions"

Things like Hitler and the holocaust are not debatable...Trump is in that category so don't be surprised by the pushback you are getting.

Even if forum rules allowed me to state my opinion of that individual, decorum prevents me from doing so. So they can have fun pretending to be in California.

No problem with pushback as I enjoy a good discussion with those who are up for one. Interacting with braindead zombies on either side is not really fun.

[Locke]

Well...appropriate.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You seriously thought that was a mistake?

Send it over. I'll make it crisp and clean. Despite the stereotype, I find it relaxing.

I do use a German manufactured iron. Though it appears to have been made after the Holocaust and the death of Hitler.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Thanks. I’m not mad at you or anyone

But I don’t think the main point of that long article was simply ‘Biden’s mad’

It’s a natural detail of the situation, but not the big picture

It’s not even the headline. It’s pretty much sentence 4

It's cool.

Most of the rest of it was a rehash of old news. He's mad, according to that, and I don't blame him.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by butterfly

It's cool.

Most of the rest of it was a rehash of old news. He's mad, according to that, and I don't blame him.

Why should we care though? That's pretty much how it's been reported all along. He didn't want to bow out, everyone pressured him to, and he gave in and gave a graceful statement.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Why should we care though? That's pretty much how it's been reported all along. He didn't want to bow out, everyone pressured him to, and he gave in and gave a graceful statement.

I suppose there's no reason why you should unless you care about his feelings or are interested in analyzing what happened. I do care about his feelings. I think he's a good president.

[opendoor]

My 85 year old grandpa was mad when they took his license away after he had a stroke, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the right move.

Biden is clearly not fit to run a campaign or to be President for 4.5 more years. The mistake Democrats made was thinking they could hide this from voters, which meant they started putting pressure on him to not run again 1-2 years too late. They could have made a much smoother transition if Biden stuck to his "transitional candidate" thing that he was telling everyone before the 2020 election.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by opendoor

My 85 year old grandpa was mad when they took his license away after he had a stroke, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the right move.

Biden is clearly not fit to run a campaign or to be President for 4.5 more years. The mistake Democrats made was thinking they could hide this from voters, which meant they started putting pressure on him to not run again 1-2 years too late. They could have made a much smoother transition if Biden stuck to his "transitional candidate" thing that he was telling everyone before the 2020 election.

When you say "Democrats", you're clearly referring to the cloaked masterminds and not everyday people.

And it's definitely on others who wouldn't straight up run for office and challenge Biden. This immunity of incumbency ruse will end someday. Hopefully today. Great respect for Dean Phillips who is seemingly the only one who wants to break down this dumb wall.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Then he shouldn't have #### the bed so hard in the debate, he wasn't losing any support from his party until that happened. That will likely be remembered as the worst presidential debate performance of all time, there's no way the Democrats could stay unified behind him after that

While this is true, its kind of a 2 way street.

Obviously he had people within his circle that were protecting him from even other Democrats. Those other Democrats didn't really know his true condition.

Plus you had the media basically lying their faces off telling everyone Biden is good to go.

Once he actually had to go debate Trump, its likely a lot of people within the Democrat Party had an 'oh ####' moment and basically said come hell or high water Biden is out.

Which explains how fast things moved once the said he was out.

So going back to your original point though, Biden himself made the massive mistake of thinking he's a 2 term President, but I don't he's making that mistake on his own. I think its no clear that once there was enough 'outside' pressure that he was willing to step back, which is more than can be said for all the people around him who worked to hide what was going on, including Harris.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by butterfly

When you say "Democrats", you're clearly referring to the cloaked masterminds and not everyday people.

I'm talking about the party leadership and donors, who are largely who determines the direction the party takes. Obviously they don't have total control, but without their backing, a candidate has basically no chance of succeeding, so they have the ability to largely dictate who does or doesn't run.

And it's definitely on others who wouldn't straight up run for office and challenge Biden. This immunity of incumbency ruse will end someday. Hopefully today. Great respect for Dean Phillips who is seemingly the only one who wants to break down this dumb wall.

No, it would be needlessly messy to have Presidential incumbents being constantly challenged by candidates from their own party when they're going for re-election. This was an extraordinary situation that warranted all the drama; it just should have been handled a year or two ago and more quietly. Then they could have had an open primary to determine the candidate.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by opendoor

My 85 year old grandpa was mad when they took his license away after he had a stroke, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the right move.

Biden is clearly not fit to run a campaign or to be President for 4.5 more years. The mistake Democrats made was thinking they could hide this from voters, which meant they started putting pressure on him to not run again 1-2 years too late. They could have made a much smoother transition if Biden stuck to his "transitional candidate" thing that he was telling everyone before the 2020 election.

And for what possible reason did the Democrats, or those who had any say so have for wanting Biden to continue his campaign?

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by butterfly

When you say "Democrats", you're clearly referring to the cloaked masterminds and not everyday people.

And it's definitely on others who wouldn't straight up run for office and challenge Biden. This immunity of incumbency ruse will end someday. Hopefully today. Great respect for Dean Phillips who is seemingly the only one who wants to break down this dumb wall.

If someone had a good chance of winning, then sure they should have gone ahead and tried. But there wasn't anyone who would obviously beat Biden, and it would have only damaged the Democrats chances.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Azure

And for what possible reason did the Democrats, or those who had any say so have for wanting Biden to continue his campaign?

Biden is the President and ultimately holds all the cards. If there wasn't a path to move on from him until the debate, it would be self defeating to go public with any concerns. I'm sure some groups were pressuring him in private all along.