Breaking: Biden will not seek re-election

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GGG

I’d disagree with your timeline of events here, there was information available to suggest that Biden was not ready to run available. It was ignored. The democratic leadership failed to force Biden into a public debate type setting as part of the primary process. A debate last November was unlikely to have different results than the Trump debate.

The WSJ had been running Biden is in decline with evidence being his decline in public appearances and various other interactions since at least April 2023. This was a known issue or if it wasn’t clearly known than the DNC leadership failed.

Except when you ask Democrat Party members, including cabinet members they said that they were blown away by how bad Biden was at the debate, and had no idea of Biden's actual condition due to extremely limited contact over the years.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/electio...p-out-c9fc46ef

I mean its over now, and he's dropped out, but its pretty wild that POTUS can get to this point and his actual cabinet members have no idea as to his actual condition.

I remember John McCain running and the Democrats yelling and screaming that he's to old and will die in office.

Politicians gonna politic.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Did you buy any merch?

I’m a Canadian and the extreme opposite politically, so no.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

lYou’re never going to get everyone to agree on everything so there’s no sense wasting time and energy on things like that. Instead focus on issues that actually affect you and you’ll be less drained by endless debates that don’t matter which in turn should help you remain more calm and respectful when engaging with someone who doesn’t agree with you.

Alternatively you could become a classical liberal. That way, you can position yourself as adhering to all of these worthy attributes and instead act like a sneering weirdo who speaks like an emotionally stunted internet debate professional from 2009 and says things like “I don’t believe in political correctness.”

Have your cake and eat it, too!

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

The aggregate loss is very much debatable. On the surface most people would feel that the access to a wide selection of cheap consumer goods is a net benefit. That perception is probably all that matters in this context, but I am not at all convinced that our present state of consumerism is actually a net benefit to our overall QOL.


As for the internet, social media took a pretty dark turn in the early 2010s. Social media had plenty of harms before then, but it was around this time it really started to break brains.

Generally speaking every trade/transaction has an aggregate benefit, because otherwise the parties to the transaction wouldn't make the deal. So opening up more trade increases the aggregate benefits.

Although if you changed the legend on the map I bet you could convince people it was showing red for areas that lost from free trade and blue for areas that benefit.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Alternatively you could become a classical liberal. That way, you can position yourself as adhering to all of these worthy attributes and instead act like a sneering weirdo who speaks like an emotionally stunted internet debate professional from 2009 and says things like “I don’t believe in political correctness.”

Have your cake and eat it, too!

Whatever gets me more followers on instagram.

(For clarity I don’t use instagram)

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GGG

I’d disagree with your timeline of events here, there was information available to suggest that Biden was not ready to run available. It was ignored. The democratic leadership failed to force Biden into a public debate type setting as part of the primary process. A debate last November was unlikely to have different results than the Trump debate.

The WSJ had been running Biden is in decline with evidence being his decline in public appearances and various other interactions since at least April 2023. This was a known issue or if it wasn’t clearly known than the DNC leadership failed.

Even if we are to accept the idea that he was in decline since April 2023 (not conceding it, just entertaining the idea)...

What were people supposed to do? Biden wanted to run for a second term, he refused to drop out. If there were serious primary challengers, chances are Joe would have refused the debates just like Trump did, and win the primary anyway. At that point he would have had the delegates and in control of everything anyway. I'm not sure the timeline would have unfolded much differently even if the people in Biden's orbit had encouraged him to drop out sooner.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Azure

This makes literally no sense.

You know why? Because many people have been calling for Biden to say he won't run again months ago. Dean Phillips literally ran as a candidate with the messaging that Biden should step down and allow the Democrats to pick another candidate as early on in the process as possible.

Now when they haven't done that its 'omg the Republicans are terrible' and don't bring up what we ignored for months.

Didn't realize Harry Lime was a Republican but the labelling is on very on par as usual.

You wouldn't want to see me as a republican. I would go full John Wayne playing Ghengis Khan, and the world would burn.

I don't really identify much with either party, I just have a steady hatred of the oligarchy.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Even if we are to accept the idea that he was in decline since April 2023 (not conceding it, just entertaining the idea)...

What were people supposed to do? Biden wanted to run for a second term, he refused to drop out. If there were serious primary challengers, chances are Joe would have refused the debates just like Trump did, and win the primary anyway. At that point he would have had the delegates and in control of everything anyway. I'm not sure the timeline would have unfolded much differently even if the people in Biden's orbit had encouraged him to drop out sooner.

You add a clause to your primary rules require debate attendance to be on a ballot. You apply the same kind of pressure people did in the last 3 weeks to get him to show up to a debate to prove his competency. It would also have the advantage of if he had 1 or 2 strong debate performances going in tanking the trump debate wouldn’t have had the same affect as it could be brushed off as a bad day. (That might be a worse result if you believe the rapid decline theory)

The Democratic Party by controlling primary rules had tremendous power to get him to speak spontaneously publically. They lacked the courage to do it.

[Mathgod]

Threatening to deny ballot access to an incumbent president would be a wild thing to do. Would have more than likely increased divisions and hostilities within the party. Very risky thing to do.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

The aggregate loss is very much debatable. On the surface most people would feel that the access to a wide selection of cheap consumer goods is a net benefit. That perception is probably all that matters in this context, but I am not at all convinced that our present state of consumerism is actually a net benefit to our overall QOL.

I’m sure it’s possible to grow an avocado in Canada, but Mexico has such a built in agricultural advantage that it would be foolish to not import them from there, since they’re cheaper and Canadian consumers are better off.

A nationalist protectionist could ban them and “create jobs” for Canadians to grow them, at an aggregate loss.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Threatening to deny ballot access to an incumbent president would be a wild thing to do. Would have more than likely increased divisions and hostilities within the party. Very risky thing to do.

It never gets that far though. Bidens team would have blinked or you would have confirmation he couldn’t be successful. You also wouldn’t be denying him ballot access you would putting the requirement of of going to debates into gaining ballot access for everyone.

The DNC had 4 years to make this plan as there was never any circumstance where an 81 year old is the best option.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by GGG

It never gets that far though. Bidens team would have blinked or you would have confirmation he couldn’t be successful. You also wouldn’t be denying him ballot access you would putting the requirement of of going to debates into gaining ballot access for everyone.

The DNC had 4 years to make this plan as there was never any circumstance where an 81 year old is the best option.

Biden is mad, and I don't blame him.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe...ace-rcna162930

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by GGG

The DNC had 4 years to make this plan as there was never any circumstance where an 81 year old is the best option.

Voters are not marionettes for the DNC. Well, Florida "I wish I was in California" Panthers Fan is. Most of the rest of us control ourselves. There ought to be no "plan".

Whoever wants to run for president, go for it. I want options regardless of incumbency and I bet most would agree. Biden got strongarmed out of there and I can appreciate why he's mad - he played their game for decades and when it was finally his turn, he actually did win, unlike the greatest woman who's ever lived, Hillary. It's sad that he got this old before he won, but from his perspective, he did everything right. These cloaked nameless people in the smoke-filled room still wanted him out when he needed their support, just like everyone who came before him.

The RNC was self-destructing when Donald Trump was gaining popularity among Republicans and their other options were Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, both whom despised the RNC as much as Trump. Their combined support was easily a majority of Republicans.

The people ought to be far more powerful than these idiotic committees.

[dino7c]

Republicans should have moved on from Trump after he mocked the handicapped, bragged about sexual assault, insurrection, sexual assault conviction, 34 felonies, Epstein files....I'm sure I am missing some.
There is NO shame in taking the information of today and changing course even if you thought something else just yesterday. That is lost on cult members, go figure.

History will not be kind to these losers.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Voters are not marionettes for the DNC. Well, Florida "I wish I was in California" Panthers Fan is. Most of the rest of us control ourselves. There ought to be no "plan".

Whoever wants to run for president, go for it. I want options regardless of incumbency and I bet most would agree. Biden got strongarmed out of there and I can appreciate why he's mad - he played their game for decades and when it was finally his turn, he actually did win, unlike the greatest woman who's ever lived, Hillary. It's sad that he got this old before he won, but from his perspective, he did everything right. These cloaked nameless people in the smoke-filled room still wanted him out when he needed their support, just like everyone who came before him.

The RNC was self-destructing when Donald Trump was gaining popularity among Republicans and their other options were Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, both whom despised the RNC as much as Trump. Their combined support was easily a majority of Republicans.

The people ought to be far more powerful than these idiotic committees.

Oh the ironing

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Oh the ironing

I enjoy ironing. Do you have any for me to do, or would you like to edit your post?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Voters are not marionettes for the DNC. Well, Florida "I wish I was in California" Panthers Fan is. Most of the rest of us control ourselves. There ought to be no "plan".

Whoever wants to run for president, go for it. I want options regardless of incumbency and I bet most would agree. Biden got strongarmed out of there and I can appreciate why he's mad - he played their game for decades and when it was finally his turn, he actually did win, unlike the greatest woman who's ever lived, Hillary. It's sad that he got this old before he won, but from his perspective, he did everything right. These cloaked nameless people in the smoke-filled room still wanted him out when he needed their support, just like everyone who came before him.

The RNC was self-destructing when Donald Trump was gaining popularity among Republicans and their other options were Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, both whom despised the RNC as much as Trump. Their combined support was easily a majority of Republicans.

The people ought to be far more powerful than these idiotic committees.

Biden (and this is speculation) likely suppressed challengers to his candidacy this year. So on the one hand I don’t think you can be upset that people didn’t back you when you used your power to ensure you wouldn’t have a fight.

Especially when Bidens return to prominence was through the exposure Obama game him.

So while I agree the back room politics are not the best for democracy we live in an environment where they exist so for someone whose team weaponized these mechanisms to be upset when they move against him is kind of hypocritical.

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to be upset when confronted with data that showed you couldn’t win and that the people you believed were backstabbing you were right.

Bidens mistake was he quit believing or never believed he was a 1 term president.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Biden is mad, and I don't blame him.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe...ace-rcna162930

That’s your takeaway? Pretty weak case

Sensationalistic nonsense

On a site where we see proud athletes retire, it’s respectable to know the writing is on the wall

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by GGG

Biden (and this is speculation) likely suppressed challengers to his candidacy this year. So on the one hand I don’t think you can be upset that people didn’t back you when you used your power to ensure you wouldn’t have a fight.

Especially when Bidens return to prominence was through the exposure Obama game him.

So while I agree the back room politics are not the best for democracy we live in an environment where they exist so for someone whose team weaponized these mechanisms to be upset when they move against him is kind of hypocritical.

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to be upset when confronted with data that showed you couldn’t win and that the people you believed were backstabbing you were right.

Bidens mistake was he quit believing or never believed he was a 1 term president.

I really agree with you. But anyone who has presidential aspirations needs to get over suppression from someone who they probably have a lot in common with policy-wise, and do it.

These clowns were freaking out that Bernie Sanders might be the nominee and wanted Biden (note how all moderate Democrats like Klobuchar and Mayor Pete got out around the same day). Then they're like, "Thanks for your service Joe! You're too old and so is Bernie. We need you to get out."

It's just really sad and I completely understand why he's upset.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

That’s your takeaway? Pretty weak case

Sensationalistic nonsense

On a site where we see proud athletes retire, it’s respectable to know the writing is on the wall

The takeaway is Biden is reportedly mad that he got strongarmed out.