I'm not sure if it's been talked about, but the Dems are doing a remote vote on who the candidate will be, 12 days before the convention. With other candidates not able to effectively run at the con, Harris is almost a shoe in.
A whole new lack of democracy, cloaked in the trappings of democracy.
lol right wing people being mad that the Democrats didn't implode and have a messy nomination is pretty funny when Trump tried to steal an election.
What per cent of Canadians spent 4 months camped on our highways, or strongly supported them? I posted an analysis of polarization earlier where the views of extremists are massively amplified relative to their numbers. Don’t fall prey to that mistake.
This very important. Politicians and the media have sensationalized so much that people are letting issues that aren’t supported by large segments of the population distract them from things we might actually be able to fix.
This very important. Politicians and the media have sensationalized so much that people are letting issues that aren’t supported by large segments of the population distract them from things we might actually be able to fix.
The problem is that small population has an outweighed effect on society, because they have the ears of politicians. By not acknowledging and pointing out how this is happening, we risk being the victims of the tyranny of the minority. You can pretend to brush them off as a small proportion of the population, but when our premier is actually one of them, and they run the governing parties bureaucracy, the picture is a lot more complicated than that. Forgive me if I don't want to have our societal choices by a group of people who have already lost their ####ing minds.
The problem is that small population has an outweighed effect on society, because they have the ears of politicians. By not acknowledging and pointing out how this is happening, we risk being the victims of the tyranny of the minority. You can pretend to brush them off as a small proportion of the population, but when our premier is actually one of them, and they run the governing parties bureaucracy, the picture is a lot more complicated than that. Forgive me if I don't want to have our societal choices by a group of people who have already lost their ####ing minds.
And I'd say we're also victims of a small subset of rich elites that are manipulating governments to get what they way.
They've been doing it for years. Hence the reason wealth inequality is so bad no matter who is in power.
You’re really moving the goalposts here. You previously stated that the majority of bosses vote Democrat, now you’re switching gears and saying that the more educated someone is that more likely they are to vote Democrat.
Can you back up your claim that the majority of bosses(whether you mean supervisors or actual business owners) vote for democrats?
There isn’t going to be any kind of clear cut data on it. So we have to make inferences.
The majority of Americans who earn in the top 40 per cent, and the majority of millionaire polled, support the Democrats.
In 2012, Democrats had stronger support than Republicans among the wealthiest 4 per cent of Americans. I couldn’t that data from more recent elections, but given the ongoing realignment of politics along educational lines, I’d be surprised if that trend reversed.
I don’t think it’s a stretch to think there’s a strong correlation between earning in the top 10-40 per cent of income and being in the managerial class.
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And I'd say we're also victims of a small subset of rich elites that are manipulating governments to get what they way.
They've been doing it for years. Hence the reason wealth inequality is so bad no matter who is in power.
No?
Sure, but then within that small subset of rich elites, there is another sub-subset of rich elites who are dicks and do (or want to do) things like:
(a) deny climate change;
(b) needlessly restrict or prohibit abortion;
(c) discriminate against [insert very long list];
(d) cut taxes for their wealthy friends;
(e) needlessly attack public institutions; and
(f) etc etc etc
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And I'd say we're also victims of a small subset of rich elites that are manipulating governments to get what they way.
They've been doing it for years. Hence the reason wealth inequality is so bad no matter who is in power.
No?
Yes? Not sure what one has to do with the other, they are both issues needing solving. But yes, the wealthy are manipulating governments so tax payers cover new arenas for them, and we celebrate the privilege! I guess we get what we deserve.
lol right wing people being mad that the Democrats didn't implode and have a messy nomination is pretty funny when Trump tried to steal an election.
What are you talking about? Shouldn't it be the dems mad that multiple nominations are not being taken seriously?
It would be a chance to control the media with their narrative, for once, and potentially come out with a stronger candidate, or a strengthened Harris.
I don't see how a quick ballot helps anyone but the established donors.
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You basically just confirmed Cliff's post when you used words like "sneering", "ignorant", "I'm looking down on you." to describe the uneducated and poor. This is the stuff that fuels the culture wars. As much as you think you are the solution, the reality is that you are part of the problem. We have seen a lot of changes in society over the last three decades. A lot of change so clearly a lot of people can be fixed. It comes down to education but people are not receptive to change when it's in the form of disparagement.
I agree, I'm not arguing that I don't look down on them (although "sneer" was a quote FWIW).
I look down on people who don't believe in climate change.
The "solution" IMO is to figure out where they are getting this misinformation and sue those sources out of existence. Fox + Alex Jones spring to mind.
They will never be receptive to the truth when that sort of propaganda is being consumed.
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What are you talking about? Shouldn't it be the dems mad that multiple nominations are not being taken seriously?
It would be a chance to control the media with their narrative, for once, and potentially come out with a stronger candidate, or a strengthened Harris.
I don't see how a quick ballot helps anyone but the established donors.
This is a tough one. A Dem nomination battle would dominate the news cycle, but it would also dilute fundraising/messaging across multiple candidates.
What are you talking about? Shouldn't it be the dems mad that multiple nominations are not being taken seriously?
It would be a chance to control the media with their narrative, for once, and potentially come out with a stronger candidate, or a strengthened Harris.
I don't see how a quick ballot helps anyone but the established donors.
The Dems want to win the election and messy nomination does not help that goal. Harris was the VP and there was a decent chance that Biden wouldn't even finish his last term so there was a chance she would have been president anyways.
I don't think she is a particularly strong candidate but they are controlling the narrative and media by uniting behind her. The last thing they needed in the news cycle was Harris getting dunked on by other candidates.
Her raise from small donors also suggests the base is fine with the decision.
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I trust that polling about as much as I trust that companies who promote diversity and inclusion actually care about the lives of marginalized people. It’s not exactly hard data that proves they voted Democrat.
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Based on earnings demographics in the overall population, unless Democrats are winning those districts by 90% plus it’s really not a strong indication that the majority of those people are for sure voting Democrat.
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In 2012, Democrats had stronger support than Republicans among the wealthiest 4 per cent of Americans. I couldn’t that data from more recent elections, but given the ongoing realignment of politics along educational lines, I’d be surprised if that trend reversed.
I don’t know, you’ve got people like Elon Musk who used to claim to be a Democrat now investing millions of dollars to support the republicans. It’s really not in most business owners’ best interest to actually oppose a party that is going to give them a tonne of breaks financially.
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I don’t think it’s a stretch to think there’s a strong correlation between earning in the top 10-40 per cent of income and being in the managerial class.
“Managerial class” doesn’t necessarily mean you’re an owner of a business though, or “boss” as you put it. I consider the boss to be an owner, despite what the labour code says I still consider supervisors/managerial staff to be employees. So I guess that’s where I fundamentally disagree with your argument that the majority of bosses vote Democrat. However even if you were to include them as bosses, I don’t believe the correlation between lower level managers and education is as great as you’re making it out to be. Lots of supervisors/managers in lower wage and labour intensive industries start at entry level positions and work their way up, because it’s often cheaper to fill a manager role that way than it is to try and attract candidates with degrees from outside the organization. I think it’s also worth noting that most people with a post secondary education are still just employees.
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I'm not sure if it's been talked about, but the Dems are doing a remote vote on who the candidate will be, 12 days before the convention. With other candidates not able to effectively run at the con, Harris is almost a shoe in.
A whole new lack of democracy, cloaked in the trappings of democracy.
Republicans:
Win election while losing the popular vote: "We don't live in a democracy, we live in a republic"
Lose election and also lose the popular vote: "It was rigged, storm the capital"
Constantly call on Biden to resign. He does so, and the Democratic party follow their own rules for picking a successor: "We care about democracy now! We don't really know what that word means, but we're pretty sure this is an example of it being tread upon" (Narrator voice: "It isn't")
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Sometimes I don't know if we collectively are fully appreciating everything that is happening in our world today. Things have become normalized in a way. I am in my 30's but my mother talks about what it was like growing up in the 60's. A real threat of nuclear war with Russia, assignation of a President (JFK) and his brother who was a presidential candidate (RFK) Technological explosion with space flight and putting a man on the moon which we thought was impossible to do.
We are living in extraordinary times and in a lot of ways, our worlds have changed so much in such a short period of time that certain things we took for granted, or do take for granted, are changing far quicker than we can process.
I came across this documentary that is premiering tonight on PBS. "Two American Families" Follows up with American families and workers from the early 90's until now and how their lives have fully changed. Starts at 8 pm Calgary time (Shaw 81) and again at 10 (Shaw 14).
Sometimes I don't know if we collectively are fully appreciating everything that is happening in our world today. Things have become normalized in a way. I am in my 30's but my mother talks about what it was like growing up in the 60's. A real threat of nuclear war with Russia, assignation of a President (JFK) and his brother who was a presidential candidate (RFK) Technological explosion with space flight and putting a man on the moon which we thought was impossible to do.
We are living in extraordinary times and in a lot of ways, our worlds have changed so much in such a short period of time that certain things we took for granted, or do take for granted, are changing far quicker than we can process.
I came across this documentary that is premiering tonight on PBS. "Two American Families" Follows up with American families and workers from the early 90's until now and how their lives have fully changed. Starts at 8 pm Calgary time (Shaw 81) and again at 10 (Shaw 14).
What are you talking about? Shouldn't it be the dems mad that multiple nominations are not being taken seriously?
It would be a chance to control the media with their narrative, for once, and potentially come out with a stronger candidate, or a strengthened Harris.
I don't see how a quick ballot helps anyone but the established donors.
In principle, yes. But delaying the nomination by a month then potentially ramping up behind a new candidate is a lot of campaign time wasted.
Also, isn't she the only candidate that can access the considerable Biden/Harris campaign funds already donated? In which case there's a risk of a lot of funding being wasted.
Granted, those are tactical considerations, but the election process is a big ship to turn. The fact that most of the obvious contenders have taken a pass for the good of the party or to keep their powder dry pretty much cements it.
Win election while losing the popular vote: "We don't live in a democracy, we live in a republic"
Lose election and also lose the popular vote: "It was rigged, storm the capital"
Constantly call on Biden to resign. He does so, and the Democratic party follow their own rules for picking a successor: "We care about democracy now! We don't really know what that word means, but we're pretty sure this is an example of it being tread upon" (Narrator voice: "It isn't")
This makes literally no sense.
You know why? Because many people have been calling for Biden to say he won't run again months ago. Dean Phillips literally ran as a candidate with the messaging that Biden should step down and allow the Democrats to pick another candidate as early on in the process as possible.
Now when they haven't done that its 'omg the Republicans are terrible' and don't bring up what we ignored for months.
Didn't realize Harry Lime was a Republican but the labelling is on very on par as usual.
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