Edmonton is No Good XI: Mud, Sweatpants and Tiers

[icarus]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Lmao

https://x.com/itsWozzz/status/1815068695619924125

Okay I honestly don't know what that means, but that table seems to indicate the 1989 Flames as the toughest playoff opponent?

[Enoch Root]

Apparently the 2021 Stanley Cup winning Tampa Bay Lightning weren't as tough of an opponent as the 2024 Demko-less Canucks

(just one of many silly data points on that piece of garbage)

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Lmao

https://x.com/itsWozzz/status/1815068695619924125

I think they mis-typed 'one of the top 5 easiest paths of all time'.

[Groot]

Decided to take a quick look at what those numbers meant. In short, absolutely nothing. It's a weird model that is used for football, and they just took the same calculations and applied it to hockey. Not only that, they list a fair number of shortfalls in the system, ones that would be compounded when trying to apply it to hockey. Here's the explanation of how the SRS is calculated, from Hockey Reference the site that is referenced in that graph.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180531...4837.html?p=37

[FleeceGang]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Lmao

https://x.com/itsWozzz/status/1815068695619924125

Truly a Herculean effort by the Oil to get that far. Everyone knows that taking the in-season goal diff and adjusting for ease of schedule is an airtight way of quantifying the difficulty of your playoff matchups… What asinine metrics. Based on the data used to come up with this irrelevant array of numbers it literally doesn’t factor into account that Vancouver didn’t have Demko, that the Dallas power play was DOA, anD the stars defence laid an egg. Talk about forcing data to pander to your narrative.

By these metrics Oilers were probably rated worse than the ‘89 Whalers.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Lmao

https://x.com/itsWozzz/status/1815068695619924125

haha

wait until they realize the 89 Flames are BY FAR the greatest team on this list and of all time

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

It is a little funny that by endorsing this data they're inadvertently conceding that the '89 Flames are the best playoff opponent of all time.

All to push a meager narrative that no sober fan outside of the 780 area code would agree with.

D'oh!

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Groot

Decided to take a quick look at what those numbers meant. In short, absolutely nothing. It's a weird model that is used for football, and they just took the same calculations and applied it to hockey. Not only that, they list a fair number of shortfalls in the system, ones that would be compounded when trying to apply it to hockey. Here's the explanation of how the SRS is calculated, from Hockey Reference the site that is referenced in that graph.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180531...4837.html?p=37

I just had to look at the Flames' numbers from 2004 to know it was bogus. Tampa was second overall and apparently just slightly harder that the Canucks, San Jose was third overall and a much easier opponent than the Canucks. The President's Trophy winning Red Wings weren't as hard an opponent as this year's Stars. The 2004 Sharks were an easier opponent than this year's Kings by that metric.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by getbak

I just had to look at the Flames' numbers from 2004 to know it was bogus. Tampa was second overall and apparently just slightly harder that the Canucks, San Jose was third overall and a much easier opponent than the Canucks. The President's Trophy winning Red Wings weren't as hard an opponent as this year's Stars. The 2004 Sharks were an easier opponent than this year's Kings by that metric.

It just regular season goal differential.

In hockey though you need to use regular season 5 v 5 goal differential with empty net goals subtracted. The power plays, over time and empty betters all mess with the calcs but Pythagorean expectation based on goal differential is relatively applicable to all sports.

The big caveat which the tweet and the methodology doesn’t consider is injuries. A Demkoless Canucks is not the same as the regular Canuck’s

[CaptainCrunch]

[FlamesAreOne]

Our arena will look 10x better than that Roomba up north. Just another thing that makes Calgary >>>>> Edmonton.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Someone coined it a bedpan in the other thread and come to think of it that is extraordinarily accurate.

[memphusk]

The Piler barn is very bland for a group that hang banners for everything. More money for sweatpants, or good shoes?

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by memphusk

The Piler barn is very bland for a group that hang banners for everything. More money for sweatpants, or good shoes?

If only the province would’ve gifted Edmonton $300 million to buy votes.

[Reggie Dunlop]

It was decided some time ago on here that Rogers Place would henceforth be called The Sweat Pantry.

[dino7c]

Drai sign yet?

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Drai sign yet?

What was the deadline they set, the first of August, or was it just anytime in August?
The clock is ticking either way.

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by UKflames

What was the deadline they set, the first of August, or was it just anytime in August?
The clock is ticking either way.

If everything in Edmonton was so awesome like Oilers fans and their media have been saying, why wasn’t a deal done July 1st? I thought him and McDavid wanted to win a cup together in Edmonton? The Oilers are handing Draisaitl a blank cheque to keep him there. They will do everything in their power to make sure McDavid and his best buddy won’t leave.

So how come nothing has been signed?

I read a rumour a couple days ago that McAvi, Pissy and ######bum have agreed to take less than market value to build a Cup contender in Edmonton. How come Pissy and average slap shot haven’t signed yet?

Kool aid drinkers. All of them

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Drai sign yet?

Nope but rumors from uncredited sources that Draisaitl, McDavid, and Bouchard are all willing to take discounts to keep the team together which is contrary to what Draisaitl's agent has been talking about saying he's been underpaid on his current contract. I said it once and I will say it again. Agents aren't dumb. The Oilers haven't won a cup despite Draisaitl and McDavid being underpaid for large portions of their contract so none of this discount talk really makes a lot of sense from the players end given how old the roster is and that the window is pretty small with the current club with one of the worst prospect bases in the NHL. The chances of the Oilers getting back to the final next season are pretty slim despite what their media and fans seem to think.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by sch19lks

If everything in Edmonton was so awesome like Oilers fans and their media have been saying, why wasn’t a deal done July 1st? I thought him and McDavid wanted to win a cup together in Edmonton? The Oilers are handing Draisaitl a blank cheque to keep him there. They will do everything in their power to make sure McDavid and his best buddy won’t leave.

So how come nothing has been signed?

I read a rumour a couple days ago that McAvi, Pissy and ######bum have agreed to take less than market value to build a Cup contender in Edmonton. How come Pissy and average slap shot haven’t signed yet?

Kool aid drinkers. All of them

They’re calling all the teams around the league trying to see what it’ll take to offload Nurse so they can split his 9.25.