There are lots of reasons this will never happen. First of all families automatically mess this up so that’s the first wrench. Second people don’t want to get split up for this. Third, people are idiots and this is past most peoples comprehension to figure out and abide by,
In aggregate no. They plan enough time for the average number of morons and build that into the schedule.
On an individual flight basis boarding is absolutely the bottleneck. Once everyone is on board and sitting down they're generally ready to leave, and I've had flights with few passengers leave as much as 15 minutes early.
I think the not boarding from both doors is at least partially a weather thing - in Australia I've boarded planes where both rear stairs and the front jet bridge were used, and it was considerably faster.
To me that just wasting both your labour and your capital investment with planes. Especially with things like Calgary Edmonton or LA Sanfrancisco. Improving it could mean an extra flight a day. Seems like there would be money being left on the table if boarding people was slower than boarding cargo. I know I have been seated on planes while the luggage is still coming out on the carts.
There are lots of reasons this will never happen. First of all families automatically mess this up so that’s the first wrench. Second people don’t want to get split up for this. Third, people are idiots and this is past most peoples comprehension to figure out and abide by,
All of those issues are solved with the modification "put everyone travelling together in the same group", which fits pretty reasonably into their compromise solution.
Good to read up on some "Japan with kids" posts a few pages back.
We're heading there for almost a month with kids aged 10, 8 and 5.
Rough itinerary:
- 7 nights in Tokyo to start. (Random wandering in neighborhoods, Disney, and typical tourist stuff)
- 3 nights in Hakone (Onsen hot springs, pirate ship cruise, cable car and chill out at the lake)
- 5-6 nights in Osaka (Universal Studios and more typical tourist wandering, eating and shopping. There's a good aquarium)
- 3 nights in Kyoto (Seems like temples and "old" Japan. Fully expect kids to complain that shrines are boring)
- 1-2 nights in Nagoya (Legoland, maybe)
- Few more nights in Tokyo before we head home
I think this is pretty close to what we'll do.
I briefly considered Hiroshima to see war stuff but not sure I wanted to make it that far west. Too much moving.
Did not even really consider anything up north cause it's not ski season.
Its our first BIG airplane trip as a family. I'm really excited. Our older 2 will really love the kitschy stuff like vending machines, arcades, toy stores etc.
I expect to be saying "no" a million times a day to all the toys and stuffed animals they will want to buy.
I'm also going to try to catch as many baseball games as I can.
We are planning on going to a Giants game together as a family, but hopefully I can catch a few more either solo, or with my son if the wife and younger ones dont wanna come. Swallows, Tigers, Buffalos are all playing at home when we're in those cities but I'm only marking the Giants game as the only "must do".
I booked some traditional Japanese AirBnB accomodations so we'll he having a few family sleepovers on mattresses on the floors. I think the kids will like that too.
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I would suggest Team Labs for kids. it's really immersive and they will like the 3 water exhibits they have in there. Also for the girls remember to wear shorts. My wife didnt' and she had to go rent a pair of shorts or she would be in all the upskirt sites in Japan.. lol
It's also right next to the new Fish Market.
We went to Disneyland on our trip before and none of the attractions has english subtitles so that was kind of annoying.
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I would suggest Team Labs for kids. it's really immersive and they will like the 3 water exhibits they have in there. Also for the girls remember to wear shorts. My wife didnt' and she had to go rent a pair of shorts or she would be in all the upskirt sites in Japan.. lol
It's also right next to the new Fish Market.
We went to Disneyland on our trip before and none of the attractions has english subtitles so that was kind of annoying.
Yep, I have TeamLabs on my list while we're in Tokyo. I think there are 2 of them. Borderless and Planets. Did you go to both? Which one is better?
I'm also really shocked at the affordability of attractions in Japan. I thought we'd be getting absolutely killed by entrance fees but all the museums, aquariums, water parks, etc are cheap compared to North America.
Regular adult entry into Disney Japan ranges from $9000-10,000 Yen or about $80-$85 CAD. I can get my family of 5 in for around $250-$300/day CAD.
Regular adult entry into Disneyland or DisneyWorld in the States is more than double that. I was told by a recent family friend to budget around $1000/day CAD for a family of 4 just to get in.
I'm also really shocked at the affordability of attractions in Japan. I thought we'd be getting absolutely killed by entrance fees but all the museums, aquariums, water parks, etc are cheap compared to North America.
Regular adult entry into Disney Japan ranges from $9000-10,000 Yen or about $80-$85 CAD.
Regular adult entry into Disneyland or DisneyWorld in the States is more than double that.
Multiply for a family of 5 people and the savings are massive.
well it totally helps that the 0% interest rate in Japan has destroyed the Yen..lol
holy crap. If you are American it's almost free! lol 1USD = 157yen!
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Good to read up on some "Japan with kids" posts a few pages back.
We're heading there for almost a month with kids aged 10, 8 and 5.
Rough itinerary:
- 7 nights in Tokyo to start. (Random wandering in neighborhoods, Disney, and typical tourist stuff)
- 3 nights in Hakone (Onsen hot springs, pirate ship cruise, cable car and chill out at the lake)
- 5-6 nights in Osaka (Universal Studios and more typical tourist wandering, eating and shopping. There's a good aquarium)
- 3 nights in Kyoto (Seems like temples and "old" Japan. Fully expect kids to complain that shrines are boring)
- 1-2 nights in Nagoya (Legoland, maybe)
- Few more nights in Tokyo before we head home
I think this is pretty close to what we'll do.
I briefly considered Hiroshima to see war stuff but not sure I wanted to make it that far west. Too much moving.
Did not even really consider anything up north cause it's not ski season.
Its our first BIG airplane trip as a family. I'm really excited. Our older 2 will really love the kitschy stuff like vending machines, arcades, toy stores etc.
I expect to be saying "no" a million times a day to all the toys and stuffed animals they will want to buy.
I'm also going to try to catch as many baseball games as I can.
We are planning on going to a Giants game together as a family, but hopefully I can catch a few more either solo, or with my son if the wife and younger ones dont wanna come. Swallows, Tigers, Buffalos are all playing at home when we're in those cities but I'm only marking the Giants game as the only "must do".
I booked some traditional Japanese AirBnB accomodations so we'll he having a few family sleepovers on mattresses on the floors. I think the kids will like that too.
Looks like an amazing itinerary and similar to ours, our kids were 10 and 7 when we went.
Osaka - might feel like a night or two too long to be honest. Universal was a fun couple of days, really fun to see the same rides in a different language in a weird way. The aquarium is awesome, do not miss it. The castle is neat, rebuilt, but still a good visit.
In the area we went to the ise toba coastal area for a night, was nice.
Kyoto - don’t underestimate the temples. Kiyomizu-dera temple is pretty interactive and the streets leading to and from it are filled with lots of shops and places to grab food. We went from there to Maruyama park by rickshaw and had more food and explored.
Also in Kyoto is Sanjusangendo - was built in the 1100’s and has 1001 Buddha statues in this long building, all unique. It’s fascinating.
In Kyoto but could be done anywhere we went to a karaoke place where we had our own room for the family and just had an absolute ball, one of our favourite family memories.
For an authentically Japanese and fun experience, check out NamjaTown in the Sunshine City Tower in Tokyo (Ikebukuro). It has a bunch of rides (many geared towards kids 5-8) and games, very affordable and you won’t find a lot of North Americans there.
They also have an area called “Gyoza Stadium” which is a food hall with a bunch of vendors that specialize in Gyoza.
Other attractions there include a cat cafe and “ice cream city” which has a ton of flavours, some of them weird.
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I just came back from Osaka and I love it there. I was a solo traveller and don't have kids, but saw a lot of Western families on holiday. Dotonbori is fun to walk around but it's crowded so be prepared to stick together.
Apparently at Tsutenkaku Tower they just opened some adventure obstacle course at the top, maybe your kids might be too young but you can check it out.
Have you been to Kyushu? Heading to Osaka in October and have an event near Kumamoto, thinking of renting a car and touring the island, hit up Fukuoka, Kagoshima, not sure what else to see that may stand out. Beppu possibly.
Have you been to Kyushu? Heading to Osaka in October and have an event near Kumamoto, thinking of renting a car and touring the island, hit up Fukuoka, Kagoshima, not sure what else to see that may stand out. Beppu possibly.
I went to Kyushu in October 2018. Fukuoka felt like Tokyo but less chaotic. The Itoshima area to the west of Fukuoka is really nice. Nagasaki was a nice change of pace from the other cities I had gone to up to that point. The Aso to Oita area is worth checking out.
I went to Kyushu in October 2018. Fukuoka felt like Tokyo but less chaotic. The Itoshima area to the west of Fukuoka is really nice. Nagasaki was a nice change of pace from the other cities I had gone to up to that point. The Aso to Oita area is worth checking out.
Tokyo is interesting to me because, yes, it's arguably chaotic but it's also very orderly and pleasant. I went to Shibuya Scramble Crossing and expected it to be Times Square x 10 but really, it was all so orderly and in a lot of ways it wasn't much different than crossing a busy road in Calgary.
I didn't get a chance to go to Fukuoka but if I can get back over there, I will try. I've heard it's a Ramen haven among other things.
Watching people board a plane makes me lose hope for the future, every time.
Small personal items under the seat instead of in the overhead bin? Nope. Turn your bag sideways in the overhead bin to make extra room for others? Nope. Sit in the correct seat? Nope. Stand there in the aisle for 3 solid minutes shuffling around holding up the boarding process? Check. Place a stranglehold on the top of the chair in front of you shaking it as you move in the row behind while it’s occupied without saying pardon me or excuse me? You bet.
I've seen FA's on the ULCC's in Europe take those bags out and tell the passenger it goes under the seat, airlines should do the same here.
I saw a first last week (both flights) while deplaning. People near the back of the plane immediately rushing up the aisle as soon as the aircraft has stopped and before anyone else had even got their things. No carry on other than a personal item so yeah it was easy to do but then they are blocking others near the front who would normally be able to get their things from the overhead bins and deplane, and therefore holding everyone up.
Tokyo is interesting to me because, yes, it's arguably chaotic but it's also very orderly and pleasant. I went to Shibuya Scramble Crossing and expected it to be Times Square x 10 but really, it was all so orderly and in a lot of ways it wasn't much different than crossing a busy road in Calgary.
I didn't get a chance to go to Fukuoka but if I can get back over there, I will try. I've heard it's a Ramen haven among other things.
What I mean is there's just less people...everywhere. Trains aren't as busy, streets aren't as busy, walkways aren't as busy. Tokyo might be orderly but there's just a ton of people which makes it feel chaotic.
Everyone says to have Hakata ramen in Fukuoka, but at least for me it wasn't my favorite. The best ramen I had was from a tiny ramen shop near Shimbashi station in Tokyo.
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