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Originally Posted by Sliver
That all sounds very rational and is how I've been operating. I have a job where it's half hands-on and half office. I need a knife multiple times every single day, so it just lives in my pocket.
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Yeah, as mentioned, that's not a concealed weapon situation though.
https://albertalegal.ca/penalty-for-...C%20a%20weapon.
As long as the knife has other EDC usage and intention, it's not really a concealed weapon situation. It's only if the the sole intention for owning and carrying the knife is for a potential self defense or injury to other that it can be an issue.
https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/regul.../FullText.html
This lists the prohibited weapons for Canada. I don't see a mention of a spear. The only thing remotely close to a staff and spear (and doesn't apply) are situations like nunchaku and morning stars because seemingly they have a rope or chain associated with it.
Obviously, don't quote me on the legitimacy of my interpretation, and don't ask me to defend you for a concealed weapons charge. But the part that was sorta my understanding when originally casually poking into the topic was this:
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Pursuant to the Criminal Code of Canada, for a particular weapon to be a “concealed” weapon, the accused individual must have either hidden the weapon in such a way that another person would not have been able to detect it – and the individual must have been aware that the object was, in fact, a weapon.
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Spears are very obviously weapons. Staves and canes again can very obviously be used as a weapon. You aren't exactly attempting to conceal the fact it's a weapon and it's not like you can really be argued to have tied to hide the fact it could be used as a weapon due to their size. But I may have also erred slightly in using the word concealed.
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A person could use a weapon to defend themselves if they face a threat (or force of a threat) that they reasonably believe another person might carry out against them. However, a person may not buy a weapon with the specific intention of using that weapon in a situation where there’s no reason or purpose to defend themselves.
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This kinda goes back to the EDC knife situation. If it has a legitimate use and it just so happens it is handy to have in a self defense situation, it's legitimate. There are things that can be legal in some scenarios, but the moment the intention is to use it against someone else (some thing?), it has to be evaluated as a weapon.
I just felt it seemed hard to argue that a spear like the one Sliver was going to buy would be for anything other than being used as a weapon. The walking stick explanation seems like a really hard sell for something designed to be maximize the effectiveness of the spear head. But something like Shepard's tools that were legitimately for the purpose of walking aid first and then defense and other usage secondary or tertiary, I think you have a better explanation similar to the EDC usage of a knife.
Now, these objects may have a sheath or a cover that conceals the tool part. That was the part I didn't fully understand. But the sheath and cover is also technically to ensure the user doesn't unintentionally injure someone with the tool end of the walking implement. It also seems like a portion of the rule is that the concealment part is that someone else had difficulties identifying you had a potential weapon like instrument on you.
The Makila type instrument for instance just seemed like possibility as it seemed kinda like a reinforced version of certain hiking poles and trash pickers with a legitimate (and primary) current and historical walking aid type of application. It seemed like there had to be a legal range of ownership and usage for that type of implement. IIRC, cane swords are not illegal in Canada. I cannot imagine trying to defend a cane sword in a unban environment, but maybe it makes a ton of sense if you do a lot of walking around areas with predators? It seemed like a Shepard's staff and Makila was in the same vein.
But the M48 spear Sliver linked doesn't look practical as a walking stick at all and the whole design of it just seems designed to ensure you can effectively utilize the spear head. That's why I felt that thing was perhaps problematic from the get go.
Obviously, Sliver is keen on going into the forest with a spear. There are likely some instruments he is allowed to take with him that meet his criteria without getting him in potential legal trouble. But I'm not convinced that M48 spear will qualify.
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