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Old 07-19-2024, 04:53 PM   #16841
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Unfortunately there are a lot of them. The New York Times has been following a group of undecided voters and getting their impressions of various parts of the campaign. One of the participants is a 20-year old trans man in Arizona who uses they/them pronouns and whose biggest issue is fear of losing access to healthcare under Trump. As of now, they're still undecided.

I mean, maybe they're just ****ing with the NYT or maybe the NYT is being disingenuous in their characterization of this person, but if not, it's insane.
I do think a lot of people are just dumb and uninformed. They also can’t comprehend any issue that doesn’t directly affect them already. Even when it does, they don’t know who to blame and since they’re dumb and uninformed, they blame who the politicians to blame.

When trans people are classified as pedophiles and the punishment for being a pedophile is the death penalty (project 2025) people like that will learn too late that these issues do affect them.
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Unfortunately it's paywalled. I read it by viewing the page by proxy. It's an excellent column, definitely a must-read.

Anyone who thinks a Trump second term on par with the first in terms of its danger to freedom and democracy... REALLY needs to pay closer attention and quit lying to themselves.
Yeah really want to read this but can't. I keep thinking, in a watch the world burn kind of way, that it can't be as dangerous as some are making it out to be, and the spectacle would be magnificent again .
I'm suspect this is wrong
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I guess a moment like this really shows a lot about what people's priorities are. Trump ushering in possibly the most dangerous dictatorship in the history of the world? Barely concerning. Some YouTuber using capital letters in the title of his video? OMG now that's the REAL OUTRAGE!!!

Social media is what it is. You can use click-baity titles or you can have almost no views. That's just the way it is, and you can thank human nature for that. People click on provocative titles and ignore calm ones. I didn't make the rules, and neither did these content creators. If you're going to scoff at the video and attack someone's credibility because you don't like the video title................ I don't even know what to say to that.
That wasn't meant as a personal attack on you so I hope it wasn't taken that way. Like I said, I probably agree with the premise of the video.

I just don't like the way these videos get promoted and I know it's YouTube telling them what to do so they get included in the algorithm. It sucks and I'm doing what I can to turn that around.
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This is a pretty compelling argument that the End Wokeness Twitter account is run by Jack Posobiec.

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That wasn't meant as a personal attack on you so I hope it wasn't taken that way. Like I said, I probably agree with the premise of the video.

I just don't like the way these videos get promoted and I know it's YouTube telling them what to do so they get included in the algorithm. It sucks and I'm doing what I can to turn that around.
Cheers. It just came across to me that you were more perturbed by a video title than the threat of Trump. Sorry for the misread.
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I'm only interested in your reaction to Trump's speech last night. Please enlighten us.
Well I'm here to enlighten you all!

The good:

- His emphasis on economic recovery, tax reduction, and support for small businesses.

- His promises to revitalize infrastructure and bring back manufacturing jobs.

- His commitment to enhancing national security and supporting law enforcement.

- His strong stance against crime and illegal immigration.

- His focus on patriotism and national pride.

- His calls for national unity and healing.

The Bad:

- His overall tone was better but still combative sometimes which may turn voters away.

- I would prefer less attacking the opposition (Biden administration) and more promoting his vision for the future.

- His speech lacked an emphasis on inclusivity and addressing issues important to minority communities.

- He pumped his own tires too much.

- It was far too long of a speech for me. He should have kept it under 45 mins.

Overall, I thought his speech was slightly above average.


(Below is for those who can't see why anyone would like Trump)
I completely understand why people don't like Trump. He's outspoken, harsh, rude, and arrogant to say the least. But, here's why many people do like him.

His Experience - Trump has a long history as a businessman and real estate developer. This experience in business helps him understand economic issues and promotes pro-business policies.

His Deal-Making - He's known for his ability to negotiate and make deals, Trump has leveraged this skill in both his business career and now in his political dealings.

He's Action Oriented - His approach to swiftly implementing policies and taking action on his promises is appreciated by those who are tired of governments who are all talk and no action.

His Economic Policies - Trump has implementing policies that reduced taxes and deregulated industries, which many supporters believe spurred economic growth and reduced unemployment rates during his tenure.

His Directness - While many on the left hate it, Trump’s communication style is direct and unfiltered, which many find refreshing compared to typical political rhetoric.

His Handling of Adversity - Despite facing numerous controversies, lawsuits, and challenges, Trump has shown resilience and an ability to bounce back from setbacks. This is something great leaders are good at.

His Tenacity - His persistent nature and determination to pursue his goals, regardless of obstacles, are qualities admired by his supporters.

His Public Presence - Trump’s charismatic presence, showmanship, and confidence are key qualities to have when dealing with leaders from other countries.

Hopefully this has enlighten you all and gives you a little perspective from the other side.
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Ok Eric. He still doesn't love you...
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The weird: his unnatural obsession with authoritarian, dictators, and Hannibal Lecter.

That, and being a felon, a pervert, a rapist, a schyster, a narcissist, an elitist, a misogynistic prick and a dithering, raving , foaming at the mouth lunatic.
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I read all the way to 'economic recovery'...recover from what exactly?
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Why would I take economic advice/opinions from a man whose declared business bankruptcy six times?
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Well I'm here to enlighten you all!

The good:

- His emphasis on economic recovery, tax reduction, and support for small businesses.

- His promises to revitalize infrastructure and bring back manufacturing jobs.

- His commitment to enhancing national security and supporting law enforcement.

- His strong stance against crime and illegal immigration.

- His focus on patriotism and national pride.

- His calls for national unity and healing.

The Bad:

- His overall tone was better but still combative sometimes which may turn voters away.

- I would prefer less attacking the opposition (Biden administration) and more promoting his vision for the future.

- His speech lacked an emphasis on inclusivity and addressing issues important to minority communities.

- He pumped his own tires too much.

- It was far too long of a speech for me. He should have kept it under 45 mins.

Overall, I thought his speech was slightly above average.


(Below is for those who can't see why anyone would like Trump)
I completely understand why people don't like Trump. He's outspoken, harsh, rude, and arrogant to say the least. But, here's why many people do like him.

His Experience - Trump has a long history as a businessman and real estate developer. This experience in business helps him understand economic issues and promotes pro-business policies.

His Deal-Making - He's known for his ability to negotiate and make deals, Trump has leveraged this skill in both his business career and now in his political dealings.

He's Action Oriented - His approach to swiftly implementing policies and taking action on his promises is appreciated by those who are tired of governments who are all talk and no action.

His Economic Policies - Trump has implementing policies that reduced taxes and deregulated industries, which many supporters believe spurred economic growth and reduced unemployment rates during his tenure.

His Directness - While many on the left hate it, Trump’s communication style is direct and unfiltered, which many find refreshing compared to typical political rhetoric.

His Handling of Adversity - Despite facing numerous controversies, lawsuits, and challenges, Trump has shown resilience and an ability to bounce back from setbacks. This is something great leaders are good at.

His Tenacity - His persistent nature and determination to pursue his goals, regardless of obstacles, are qualities admired by his supporters.

His Public Presence - Trump’s charismatic presence, showmanship, and confidence are key qualities to have when dealing with leaders from other countries.

Hopefully this has enlighten you all and gives you a little perspective from the other side.
Do you think he won the 2020 election?
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LOL. you guys actually read what he typed? it was more longwinded than Trump's speech hahaa
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Well I'm here to enlighten you all!

The good:

- His emphasis on economic recovery, tax reduction, and support for small businesses.

- His promises to revitalize infrastructure and bring back manufacturing jobs.

- His commitment to enhancing national security and supporting law enforcement.

- His strong stance against crime and illegal immigration.

- His focus on patriotism and national pride.

- His calls for national unity and healing.

The Bad:

- His overall tone was better but still combative sometimes which may turn voters away.

- I would prefer less attacking the opposition (Biden administration) and more promoting his vision for the future.

- His speech lacked an emphasis on inclusivity and addressing issues important to minority communities.

- He pumped his own tires too much.

- It was far too long of a speech for me. He should have kept it under 45 mins.

Overall, I thought his speech was slightly above average.


(Below is for those who can't see why anyone would like Trump)
I completely understand why people don't like Trump. He's outspoken, harsh, rude, and arrogant to say the least. But, here's why many people do like him.

His Experience - Trump has a long history as a businessman and real estate developer. This experience in business helps him understand economic issues and promotes pro-business policies.

His Deal-Making - He's known for his ability to negotiate and make deals, Trump has leveraged this skill in both his business career and now in his political dealings.

He's Action Oriented - His approach to swiftly implementing policies and taking action on his promises is appreciated by those who are tired of governments who are all talk and no action.

His Economic Policies - Trump has implementing policies that reduced taxes and deregulated industries, which many supporters believe spurred economic growth and reduced unemployment rates during his tenure.

His Directness - While many on the left hate it, Trump’s communication style is direct and unfiltered, which many find refreshing compared to typical political rhetoric.

His Handling of Adversity - Despite facing numerous controversies, lawsuits, and challenges, Trump has shown resilience and an ability to bounce back from setbacks. This is something great leaders are good at.

His Tenacity - His persistent nature and determination to pursue his goals, regardless of obstacles, are qualities admired by his supporters.

His Public Presence - Trump’s charismatic presence, showmanship, and confidence are key qualities to have when dealing with leaders from other countries.

Hopefully this has enlighten you all and gives you a little perspective from the other side.
You know what, I’m going to give you credit for bringing forth a post of substance and your opinions are not wild or out of this world.

Unfortunately I think thye are missing some reality

First of all in your bottom part you give him credit for being an amazing business guy, but by all accounts it’s a house of cards. He’s bankrupted businesses and in many ways runs a shell game.

Next is his treatment of women, a jury has found that he’s a rapist. Here’s more than enough evidence out there to reach a reasonable conclusion that he treats women as play toys, he paid off a porn star and it’s hard to say he didn’t didddle around with her.

He has openly courted and coddled dictators, not much more I can say on that.

He refused and still refuses to admit losing an election, which has helped propagate so, so many people to further conspiracy theories.

He attacks his opponents with an unheard of zeal - see Liz Cheney.

There is so, so much more.
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I would never take business advice from someone who bankrupted a casino. A literal license to print money went out of business. You have to be a special kind of stupid to ruin that.
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I didn't watch his speech so I won't comment on the first part of your comment, but as for why you like him... I'll add some counterpoints.


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I completely understand why people don't like Trump. He's outspoken, harsh, rude, and arrogant to say the least. But, here's why many people do like him.

His Experience - Trump has a long history as a businessman and real estate developer. This experience in business helps him understand economic issues and promotes pro-business policies.
I don't think he actually understands economic issues. His weird fascination with tariffs and implying that the exporting country pays them being front and centre. Pro-business can be another term for pro-oligopoly. He wants all regulations gone to the detriment to peoples' health and safety. Bill ionaires benefit but not average people.

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His Deal-Making - He's known for his ability to negotiate and make deals, Trump has leveraged this skill in both his business career and now in his political dealings.
He has that reputation, but is it earned? What deals did he broker while in office that were worth a damn? I do give him credit for getting the covid vaccine research a boost (pun intended). Somehow you probably don't agree.

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He's Action Oriented - His approach to swiftly implementing policies and taking action on his promises is appreciated by those who are tired of governments who are all talk and no action.
He was quick with the pen signing executive orders but he really didn't fulfill his major promises. Only a fraction of "the wall" exists; He never got an infrastructure bill passed; he did absolutely nothing on health care.


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His Economic Policies - Trump has implementing policies that reduced taxes and deregulated industries, which many supporters believe spurred growth and reduced unemployment rates during his tenure.
Unfunded tax cuts that only added trillions to the deficit. Overall the country lost jobs during his presidency. Covid was a big factor but you can't say unemployment rates were reduced.

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His Directness - While many on the left hate it, Trump’s communication style is direct and unfiltered, which many find refreshing compared to typical political rhetoric.
I'd be fine with less political rhetoric if it weren't for the constant lies, racism, and whining that comes out of his mouth constantly.

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His Handling of Adversity - Despite facing numerous controversies, lawsuits, and challenges, Trump has shown resilience and an ability to bounce back from setbacks. This is something great leaders are good at.
What? Nobody has thinner skin that DJT. He's constantly complaining about witch hunts and he was so unable to accept that he lost an election he oversaw an insurrection. Seriously, what adversity did he face?

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His Tenacity - His persistent nature and determination to pursue his goals, regardless of obstacles, are qualities admired by his supporters.
All fueled by narcissism. His need for constant praise keeps him going.

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His Public Presence - Trump’s charismatic presence, showmanship, and confidence are key qualities to have when dealing with leaders from other countries.
No world leader who isn't in power for life shows any respect for him. They see him for the clown he is.

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His Experience - Trump has a long history as a businessman and real estate developer. This experience in business helps him understand economic issues and promotes pro-business policies.
These pro-business policies overwhelmingly benefit the richest 1% of Americans, often at the expense of workers, consumers, and the environment.

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His Deal-Making - He's known for his ability to negotiate and make deals, Trump has leveraged this skill in both his business career and now in his political dealings.
I look at his "successful business career" and see 6 casino bankruptcies, a fraudulent university and charity, and other failed junk like Trump Steaks, GoTrump, Trump Airlines, Trump Vodka, Trump Mortgage, Trump: The Game, Trump Magazine, Trump Ice, The New Jersey Generals, Tour de Trump, Trump Network, Trumped!

And all this from a guy who was born with a silver spoon shoved up his ass. The only thing that succeeded before he became president was The Apprentice, which was all about portraying him as some kind of business genius he was very much not, and the cruelty of firing people in dramatic fashion. Really the only things Donald has ever been good at are deceiving people, and appealing to the absolute worst parts of human nature.

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He's Action Oriented - His approach to swiftly implementing policies and taking action on his promises is appreciated by those who are tired of governments who are all talk and no action.
Hence why he can't be allowed back in power; he has Project 2025 in hand and a Supreme Court eager to allow him to implement it.

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The vast majority of the tax benefit went to the top 1%, and played a big role in creating the inflation that has devastated the American people.

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His Directness - While many on the left hate it, Trump’s communication style is direct and unfiltered, which many find refreshing compared to typical political rhetoric.
The problem with his rhetoric is not that it's direct - it's that it's deeply fascistic and designed to normalize the idea of persecuting and even eradicating political opposition. There's a reason why calling the media the enemy of the people, calling certain groups of people vermin who need to be rooted out, and poisoning the blood of the country, are things that Trump has said, and are also things Hitler said to achieve his aims.

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His Tenacity - His persistent nature and determination to pursue his goals, regardless of obstacles, are qualities admired by his supporters.
He has been empowered by bootlicking sychophants every step of the way. If there was any sanity in the GOP at all, he would have been removed from office following his first impeachment, and that would have been the end of his fascist ambitions. But he escaped that due to the GOP cult, then escaped it again after he incited an insurrection, then avoided accountability for his crimes thanks to this treasonous SC. None of these escapes are Trump's doing, it's the people enabling him that are making this all possible.

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They are also key qualities of every despot in history.

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Hopefully this has enlighten you all and gives you a little perspective from the other side.
Hopefully now you see why he's the most unfit person in the history of America to hold that office, and why the criticisms of him are that he's an existential danger to everything that thousands of men and women fought to protect, not just "he's mean and arrogant".
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Yeah really want to read this but can't. I keep thinking, in a watch the world burn kind of way, that it can't be as dangerous as some are making it out to be, and the spectacle would be magnificent again .
I'm suspect this is wrong
Yes, it's a really excellent article for those able to read it. Coyne makes some great points and offers a lot of insight.
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I read all the way to 'economic recovery'...recover from what exactly?
The highest inflation in 40+ years?
Inflation is by far the #1 issue to Americans.
You have been blessed if inflation and subsequent interest rates haven't significantly affected your own family financial situation.

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