Should the Flames offer sheet Dylan Holloway?

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Stauffer is no better than Spector, a complete homer idiot.

In all fairness, Stauffer is actually paid by the oilers. That explains his homerism (I’m not defending him, he is still annoying).
His radio show is a paid infomercial

[Paulie Walnuts]

The Oilers media is the biggest collection of idiots I’ve ever seen. I don’t see any media members act the way they do. Every single one of them.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I think it was Bob Stauffer thinking the oilers will get them signed for ~1M each…. Good luck

That seems a tad low, but not to defend Stauffer, I don’t think either player is worth much more than that. I don’t see what either has done so far to deserve big raises.

They may have upside still but they have reached it yet.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The Oilers media is the biggest collection of idiots I’ve ever seen. I don’t see any media members act the way they do. Every single one of them.

i do enjoy when the early season award predictions comes out and all the Oiler fan boys pick all Oilers for the awards. Next year we can be sure that Bouchbomb will be the Norris prediction and future team canada goalie Skinner will be Vezina winner. Much like Campbell before him

[Paulie Walnuts]

Don’t forget hey have Hyman on team Canada as well with Skinner and Bouchard.

[icarus]

This is the least interesting offer sheet candidate that has ever been discussed here.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by icarus

This is the least interesting offer sheet candidate that has ever been discussed here.

Come on, 9 goals and 9 assists in 89 games? Will be 23 before next season starts?

Let's offer him $4.5 million and give up a high 2nd round pick.

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by icarus

This is the least interesting offer sheet candidate that has ever been discussed here.

I’d offer sheet Broberg before I offer sheet Holloway.

And I wouldn’t offer sheet Broberg

[Vinny01]

If the Flames signed away Broberg to an offer sheet and secured the Oilers the Flames high 2025 2nd and the Oilers turn around and give Kylington the league minimum for a year that could be a nice piece of business for the Oilers but I am also not sure that is a terrible move for the Flames depending on their long term view of Broberg is?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Not against offsheets, but an offersheet right now makes zero sense. Flames looking to be a bottom feeder this year and top five picks. Keep your powder dray and give your scouts a chance to fill up the pipeline rather than giving your top rival one of those early picks for one of their failed prospects.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the Flames signed away Broberg to an offer sheet and secured the Oilers the Flames high 2025 2nd and the Oilers turn around and give Kylington the league minimum for a year that could be a nice piece of business for the Oilers but I am also not sure that is a terrible move for the Flames depending on their long term view of Broberg is?

If you want to squeeze the Oilers, I think Broberg is the better guy to target. Defence is not a strength for them, and they likely still see Broberg as a player who could be in their top 4 as early as the back half of this coming season, or by next season. So if the offer is say 3 per year and they're only getting a second back as compensation even a high one, it's going to be tough for them to walk away from the player.

Kylington isn't 6'-4, and there's no Tanev to help settle him on the Oilers. Not to mention I'm not sure how a player in Kylington's frame of mind would handle a tougher environment like Edmonton where one gaffe will get your name out there. My former work place once had an Uncle of Ethan Bear's speak and he was very adament that they were happy when Ethan went to Carolina to get away from Racist Edmonton after the game 3 give away vs the Jets where a lot of nasty insults were made against Bear's hertiage.

Up front the Oilers have a lot more depth even if they maybe lack some of what Holloway could bring. They can get veteran guys on lesser one year deals who think they can win there and get a chance to showcase themselves. So even though Holloway is a more recent pick, it's likely easier for the Oilers to lose him, get a second roung pick and replace him.

So as many others have already said, I'm not sure a guy like Holloway at this time is worth losing a likely high 2nd round pick for as the Flames already have a lot of wingers in the system if they did opt to not match. Whereas with Broberg that's a lot harder for the Oilers to replace that with only a second round pick in my view, and I do think they have a harder time letting him go. If you do think the guy could be top 4 in the next couple of years than there's more of a place on the Flames for a 6'-4 top 4 guy I would think.

That said, I think offer sheets do not get utilized much because teams know that once you do this to another team, they will bide their time and get you back even better in the future. Very seldom will the pick or any of the players with the picks end up being better than the player receiving the offer. But there is always the idea that the compensation plus added cap space could get you more. Although I do buy the notion that the offer sheet could force a team to make a player available that they normally would not. Rather than peddling Ceci around...they Oilers get confronted with do we take this for Broberg type of thing. It might be a good time to remind the Ducks that they have a chance to get back at the Oilers for the Penner thing though.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

The problem with any offer sheet is you will need to qualify them at the same salary going forward. That sounds okay if the player continues to develop but it is taking a bit of a gamble.

There aren't that many RFAs who get offer sheets because if it is even a somewhat reasonable contract it will be matched and if it is unreasonable then it will handcuff the other team while still getting compensation. Jesperi Kotkaniemi is a prime example of a player who was expected to develop but really stagnated and is now a buyout candidate.

[dirk diggler]

Broberg was looked at as another terrible first round pick (outside top 3 of course) and now because he comes in and doesnt crap the bed, he is talked about like he is the next Nik Lidstrom and Hollloway because he is from here, lets offer sheet him. this thread to me is a little odd. That is just my opinion, no need to go off on me which happens frequently on this site

[Harry Lime]

I love that calgary fans consider offer sheeting Holloway, while flyers fans consider offer sheeting a massive deal for Quentin by field.

[bdubbs]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I love that calgary fans consider offer sheeting Holloway, while flyers fans consider offer sheeting a massive deal for Quentin by field.

Don't paint all Flames fans with this brush. I think there are several posters in this thread who have clearly stated that they have no interest in Holloway. A Byfield offer is much more desirable than a Holloway offer sheet.

[Erick Estrada]

I want a team to offer sheet him but not the Flames.

[Calgary4LIfe]

An offer sheet from the Flames for Byfield would be awful. Philadelphia can swing it since they aren't looking at finishing bottom 3 in the standings for the next 2 seasons. They are much further along their rebuild. I really like Byfield, but can you imagine if, after everything is said and done, Flames traded Hagens and McKenna for Byfield? I mean, that' probably won't happen but but don't think Byfield is going to lift this franchise out by himself.


Flames need to draft core pieces. Not just a piece - they need multiple pieces. A byfield sheet is something an organization should do coming out of a rebuild, not entering one.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

An offer sheet from the Flames for Byfield would be awful. Philadelphia can swing it since they aren't looking at finishing bottom 3 in the standings for the next 2 seasons. They are much further along their rebuild. I really like Byfield, but can you imagine if, after everything is said and done, Flames traded Hagens and McKenna for Byfield? I mean, that' probably won't happen but but don't think Byfield is going to lift this franchise out by himself.


Flames need to draft core pieces. Not just a piece - they need multiple pieces. A byfield sheet is something an organization should do coming out of a rebuild, not entering one.

The Flames can't offersheet Byfield anyways

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

An offer sheet from the Flames for Byfield would be awful. Philadelphia can swing it since they aren't looking at finishing bottom 3 in the standings for the next 2 seasons. They are much further along their rebuild. I really like Byfield, but can you imagine if, after everything is said and done, Flames traded Hagens and McKenna for Byfield? I mean, that' probably won't happen but but don't think Byfield is going to lift this franchise out by himself.


Flames need to draft core pieces. Not just a piece - they need multiple pieces. A byfield sheet is something an organization should do coming out of a rebuild, not entering one.

Exactly. There is a lot more to analyzing a potential offer sheet than simply looking at the player. Byfield is obviously a great young player, but the cost would be enormous, and, as you say, we would be giving up our 1st round picks, which is too high of a price, IN OUR CURRENT SITUATION.

The reason the Holloway/Broberg conversations are worth having is that the cost is reasonable, for the players that would be acquired. And that is because the Oilers are cash-strapped and will likely be asking these guys for a one-year, discount contract, because they have no choice. As a player, you look at it and say: would I sign an offer sheet for more money and more opportunity? I'd certainly consider it. And the Flames have to ask: would I give up an early 2nd round pick for one of those guys? And for me, the answer to that would be yes.

Rarely do offer sheets make sense for all parties.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Can’t we offer sheet a small amount and not have to give up a pick? I see no harm in that.