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View Poll Results: Where will the Flames finish in the overall standings in the 24/25 season?
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32
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1.99% |
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31
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1.32% |
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30
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50 |
16.56% |
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29
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52 |
17.22% |
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28
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58 |
19.21% |
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27
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42 |
13.91% |
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26
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25 |
8.28% |
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25
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20 |
6.62% |
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24
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1.99% |
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23rd or better
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12.91% |
07-11-2024, 02:57 PM
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#561
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Zero point in moving Weegar. He's the guy I'd keep. I want to see him mentor Parekh.
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07-11-2024, 06:49 PM
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#562
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Franchise Player
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Depends what the offers are. He will be 31 this year. His best years are kind of wasted here. If you can get a legit asset that will be in their prime when the Flames are competitive that seems to make more sense.
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07-12-2024, 09:32 AM
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#563
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Depends what the offers are. He will be 31 this year. His best years are kind of wasted here. If you can get a legit asset that will be in their prime when the Flames are competitive that seems to make more sense.
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If you can get something great, then maybe.
But you need a few good players with good attitudes & work ethic around to show the youth the ropes.
If we want to move out some vets for futures, Weegar's probably last on my list to do that unless someone offers the moon.
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07-12-2024, 03:53 PM
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#564
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Icon
But you need a few good players with good attitudes & work ethic around to show the youth the ropes.
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Especially on D.
Defencemen don't come into the NHL knowing how to defend against NHL players. That's something you learn by doing, and you learn faster if you've got a good example and a reliable defence partner.
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07-12-2024, 06:26 PM
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#565
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First Line Centre
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Voted 25th, figure the defence should be pretty bad, but Wolf could go on a few heaters. Forward group has some skill, grit and excellent depth. Team could hover around 8-10th in the conference, similar to last season.
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07-12-2024, 08:22 PM
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#566
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Icon
If you can get something great, then maybe.
But you need a few good players with good attitudes & work ethic around to show the youth the ropes.
If we want to move out some vets for futures, Weegar's probably last on my list to do that unless someone offers the moon.
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They have plenty of vets in Backlund, Huberdeau, Kadri, Coleman, Andersson, Kuzmenko, Mantha, Lomberg, etc. Plus they will be signing guys over the years. Refusing to trade your most valuable assets for leadership reasons seems like a waste. They need elite talent more than anything.
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07-12-2024, 08:36 PM
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#567
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Always depends on the offer.
I wouldnt move qwegar or rasmus just to move them, but if someone blows you away with a package that includes a young blue chip center then you have to consider it.
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07-12-2024, 10:01 PM
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#568
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am
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This is the problem with “a proper rebuild” as everyone clamours for.
If anyone asks for “out”, you need to get them out.
Yes I know, “player A or B” said they are here for the long run, but minds change and anyone who is a true pro doesn’t want to stick around for years of losing.
So
Not only do we need rookie talent, but we need rookie character too.
So
All the bullets in the chamber matter. Picks and prospects to the tens and we really need to be careful what vets are allowed to stick around
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07-12-2024, 10:27 PM
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#569
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Hackey
They have plenty of vets in Backlund, Huberdeau, Kadri, Coleman, Andersson, Kuzmenko, Mantha, Lomberg, etc.
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Mantha is a one-season stopgap and might not even be here for the whole year. I wouldn't count him.
Kuzmenko, with a grand total of two years in the NHL, isn't someone I would count on for veteran presence either.
Not sure about this ‘etc.’ of which you speak, unless you mean Rooney. That pretty much exhausts the list of long-serving NHL vets on the roster. And other than Andersson, none of them are defencemen.
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07-12-2024, 10:38 PM
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#570
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Sep 2023
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Zero point in moving Weegar. He's the guy I'd keep. I want to see him mentor Parekh.
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I disagree, we’re in full rebuild mode, every player has a price and he’s one of our top 3 tradeable assets. You move Weegar if you get a blue chip prospect or potential top draft 10 pick.
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07-12-2024, 11:02 PM
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#571
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
Mantha is a one-season stopgap and might not even be here for the whole year. I wouldn't count him.
Kuzmenko, with a grand total of two years in the NHL, isn't someone I would count on for veteran presence either.
Not sure about this ‘etc.’ of which you speak, unless you mean Rooney. That pretty much exhausts the list of long-serving NHL vets on the roster. And other than Andersson, none of them are defencemen.
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Kuzmenko has been playing pro hockey for a decade.
The same way they signed guys this off season I'm sure they will sign guys in future off seasons. That's the etc. You can aquire leadership much easier than young skilled talent. And the team doesn't need 10 or 15 vets. 5 or 6 guys should be plenty.
Personally I'd strongly consider trading both Andersson and Weegar because they will bring back the best returns. They are basically your last two assets who have potential to bring back impact players for the future. Their value is wasted providing something that can be easily acquired with no acquisition cost.
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07-13-2024, 12:05 AM
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#572
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Hackey
Personally I'd strongly consider trading both Andersson and Weegar because they will bring back the best returns. They are basically your last two assets who have potential to bring back impact players for the future. Their value is wasted providing something that can be easily acquired with no acquisition cost.
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Then you have precisely zero experienced NHL defencemen. You'd be throwing the prospects into the deep end of the pool with an anvil for a life preserver.
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07-13-2024, 08:33 AM
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#573
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Calgary
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Agreed
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07-13-2024, 09:05 AM
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#574
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
Then you have precisely zero experienced NHL defencemen. You'd be throwing the prospects into the deep end of the pool with an anvil for a life preserver.
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If you traded Weegar and Andersson for picks and prospects you would have last place in the league locked up for this year and maybe next year. It would be a 164 game commitment to trying to be the worst team in the league.
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07-13-2024, 09:34 AM
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#575
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Franchise Player
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Do it
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07-13-2024, 09:44 AM
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#576
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
If you traded Weegar and Andersson for picks and prospects you would have last place in the league locked up for this year and maybe next year. It would be a 164 game commitment to trying to be the worst team in the league.
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Thing is, this is exactly the strategy that many here want and we’re over halfway there.
As long as those same people spend their money on tickets to fill the rink to at least 80% capacity, everything will be just fine
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07-13-2024, 10:02 AM
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#577
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by All In Good Time
Thing is, this is exactly the strategy that many here want and we’re over halfway there.
As long as those same people spend their money on tickets to fill the rink to at least 80% capacity, everything will be just fine
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The thing is many of that many will be in every PGT bitching about how bad the team is.
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07-13-2024, 10:12 AM
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#578
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by All In Good Time
As long as those same people spend their money on tickets to fill the rink to at least 80% capacity, everything will be just fine
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There is revenue sharing, and a new rink being built.
I don’t know why this would be a concern over the next 5 years?
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07-13-2024, 10:28 AM
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#579
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
The thing is many of that many will be in every PGT bitching about how bad the team is.
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No they won't, not if they understand what's going on.
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07-13-2024, 10:38 AM
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#580
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am
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Originally Posted by SutterBrother
There is revenue sharing, and a new rink being built.
I don’t know why this would be a concern over the next 5 years?
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Revenue sharing may help a little but we can’t be dependent on that. And a new building ensures a 10 to 20 percent increase in costs to the fans
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