[Rumour] Kylington to test free agency

[DJones]

Originally Posted by memphusk

200 bucks a month to sign up to that site? Yikes.

It's actually a great site. Anytime I'm googling stuff it always has the chart I'm looking for.

Not paying that though haha

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I'm a fan of the Calgary Flames. I will never get this 'lets make an excuse for the billionaire owners'. The Flames are far from a poor team who I'm sure have revenue closer to the top of the league than the bottom.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You are incorrect about revenue

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...teams-in-2010/

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ran...-most-revenue/

That ranking shows the Flames with the 21st highest revenue in the NHL. The team with the incredible practice facility that inspired the jealousy - the Panthers - has the 27th highest revenue.

I doubt revenue is as big a factor in this stuff as the willingness of the owners to spend their own money on the team.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That ranking shows the Flames with the 21st highest revenue in the NHL. The team with the incredible practice facility that inspired the jealousy - the Panthers - has the 27th highest revenue.

I doubt revenue is as big a factor in this stuff as the willingness of the owners to spend their own money on the team.

Where the owners really make money is selling the franchise. Look at the cost of acquiring an NHL franchise 20 years ago vs. now. The Arizona owner made a massive amount of money after doing an absolutely terrible job of owning/managing that team.

But yes, they will lose lots of money every year owning the club. Owning an NHL franchise is not for the faint of heart or people who can't lose 10s of millions every year.

Owning an NHL franchise is like owning a piece of real estate. You have to put money into every year to stop it from crumbling, and the more money you put into it the more it will be worth at the end, but you don't get every dollar you put in out.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That ranking shows the Flames with the 21st highest revenue in the NHL. The team with the incredible practice facility that inspired the jealousy - the Panthers - has the 27th highest revenue.

I doubt revenue is as big a factor in this stuff as the willingness of the owners to spend their own money on the team.

We should also take into account the Flames have sucked the last 2 years. If the Flames had won even one playoff round, instead of playing like garbage, they probably jump past about 10 teams.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by blankall

We should also take into account the Flames have sucked the last 2 years. If the Flames had won even one playoff round, instead of playing like garbage, they probably jump past about 10 teams.

And when you look at the Oilers, you see where the Flames can get to with a new arena and that's essentially the very top of the NHL.

(Also, Florida's revenue factors in a run all the way to the finals)

[tony-soprano]

I would have guessed it to be the Leafs or Oilers to make that 4 year offer.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

And when you look at the Oilers, you see where the Flames can get to with a new arena and that's essentially the very top of the NHL.

The Oilers do have a wider fanbase than the Flames, and they went to the finals with a marquee player in McDavid. Don't think the Flames would get quite that high, but they could do a lot better.

I do think the owners - and the city for that matter - will recoup much of the cost of the new arena pretty quickly.

[PuckSlap]

I’m not trying to keep this thread alive and well. But can anyone confirm that it was his agent that recommended that he look elsewhere, Or is it possible he thought other teams would be more interested in him now?

Only asking because he is an adult, and maybe he came up with the idea. Hell, maybe his agents even tried to talk him out of it. Who is his agent? I would assume they would be the first to know that this could potentially end his NHL career.

Again, I’m asking questions because I actually don’t know

[Bill Bumface]

I can't wait until we have a competitive team again and can laugh looking back at the 50+ pages of hand wringing over a UFA second or third pairing defenseman.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

I’m not trying to keep this thread alive and well. But can anyone confirm that it was his agent that recommended that he look elsewhere, Or is it possible he thought other teams would be more interested in him now?

Only asking because he is an adult, and maybe he came up with the idea. Hell, maybe his agents even tried to talk him out of it. Who is his agent? I would assume they would be the first to know that this could potentially end his NHL career.

Again, I’m asking questions because I actually don’t know

I can't confirm it. Both are plausible.

The Agent should be advising his client of the market, but at the end of the day the client makes the decision.

Usually the Agent knows the market best and its in his best interest to advise his client accordingly. Otherwise he doesn't get paid.

If he wants term and no one is offering it then he goes and plays for Admiral Vladivostok.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I can't wait until we have a competitive team again and can laugh looking back at the 50+ pages of hand wringing over a UFA second or third pairing defenseman.

Ah well. After recent history having players leave is kind of a touchy subject 'round these here parts.

Also...its the off-season! Lets have some fun!

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Locke

Also...its the off-season! Lets have some fun!

I'm not complaining the thread exists (here I am reading it), I just can't wait until we have bigger fish to fry!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

We should also take into account the Flames have sucked the last 2 years. If the Flames had won even one playoff round, instead of playing like garbage, they probably jump past about 10 teams.

That chart is from a year ago - one year off of then winning a round and having a successful regular season. With a huge trade that looked like it was going to salvage the loss of two players. Attendance was fine.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I'm not complaining the thread exists (here I am reading it), I just can't wait until we have bigger fish to fry!

Yeah...that'll be nice. But we're a ways away from that.

[Locke]

Is there any way the Flames could buy Admiral Vladivostok as an Affiliate?

We've got AHL and ECHL affiliates, but could you imagine having a KHL affiliate?

"We'll give you 2 years/$1.25."

- "Thats not enough!"

"Pack your bags for the Admiral then. Bring a coat."

[Calgary4LIfe]

I have always been a big supporter of Kylington on these boards. I hope he finds himself a good landing spot upon which to prove that he deserves a long-term deal somewhere. I think that's the peace of mind that he probably needs, but I think at this point, it should probably be safe to say that a show-me deal is the only type available to him.


Personally, I think Bean replaced Kylington's spot. Is Kylington a better player than Solovyov now? Yes. However, will Kylington be a better player than Solovyov in 3 years? Unknown.


Weegar, Andersson, Miromanov, Bahl, Pachal, Bean, Solovyov, Hanely - all need waivers this year. Flames need to see if Bahl, Pachal and Solovyov are good fits for this team moving forward. It is not important to really win games now - development is what is most important, and identifying what you have in the organization. You don't want to start losing players for nothing. These are the waiver-eligible defencemen. Hanley is a solid vet that you probably don't care plays at all, but when Solovyov, Pachal or Bean are sitting and watching the game, he can be alongside of them keeping them lose and pointing things out to them.


Next season, you have more guys coming in. Parekh will be on the team - he isn't going back to juniors for 2 years in a row, and he isn't AHL eligible. He will be on the team. New guys that need waivers: Kuznetsov, Grushnikov and Poirier.



So they will need to be figured out before you risk exposing them to waivers. Who is a long-term piece? Pachal and Hanely are the guys I bet will be moved on to make room for these additions. Bean will be re-signed to a 2-3 year deal if does well, will be let-go if he doesn't. Brzustewicz and Jurmo will likely need some reps at the NHL level as well next season. Jurmo has been playing against men for for a while now, so I don't think he will need that much time in the AHL.


There are a lot of guys for the future to take a look at. You don't want to lose a guy unnecessarily on waivers and watch him blossom somewhere else just because you didn't take a good look. Kylington should have signed with the Flames on a short term deal just like Bean did, but before Bean had that chance. There are just too many kids knocking on the door that need time in the NHL to continue their development and who are going to be waiver eligible.


I argue that Kylington's development got derailed with all the time missed. Not just this recent time away, but also from Treliving's constant depth-defencemen trades that pushed Kylington out of the lineup and out of games, and even the covid bubble in which he only practiced but never played. The lack of playing time is detrimental to the development of players. Signing Kylington now just impedes other kids from developing. Kylington may be better right now, but who knows how good some of these kids become.


It is not difficult to see how many offensive defencemen are on the team or coming through the pipeline now. Not all will make it, but that's certainly a number of them. Bean is a direct replacement for today, and there are many that are a future replacement down the road too. A lot fo the defensive defencemen are going to need some reps. There are actually fewer of those, so losing a guy like Solovyov (who looks more defensive than offensive, but still capable offensively) may hurt more than it appears at first glance.


I hope that Kylington finds a good spot. I have always really liked him. It just doesn't make much sense any longer, unless the most important thing is to win as many games this season. Even then, I am not sure it is the best thing - Hanley is probably better defensively, Miromanov, Weegar and Andersson are all better on the PP... Bean's numbers are very similar to Kylington's, and he is a year younger. Removing my own bias (I like Kylington, and I would love to see him succeed), I can't really make a reasonable argument as to why Kylington should be re-signed now. Helping the Flames win more games now by being in the lineup over Solovyov, Pachal and whomever, isn't a reasonable argument this season, and moving forward, he will be passed by the offensive defencemen coming up, and some of these bigger bodied, more defensive guys will need the reps now in order to be better partners for those later, if that makes sense.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Locke

Ah well. After recent history having players leave is kind of a touchy subject 'round these here parts.

Also...its the off-season! Lets have some fun!

The only player that people should really be sensitive about is Gaudreau.

Tkachuk left after the team failed to keep its other franchise player.

Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, Tanev, Markstrom and Toffoli all left because they knew they’d never win anything on a team where THEY were the best players.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The only player that people should really be sensitive about is Gaudreau.

Tkachuk left after the team failed to keep its other franchise player.

Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, Tanev, Markstrom and Toffoli all left because they knew they’d never win anything on a team where THEY were the best players.

Naw man. Thats...they didn't 'leave' they were shipped out.

Shown the door.

With the exception of Tanev. He was honest. He's the only one on that list that didn't leave for contractual reasons, he wanted to win.

[Mightyfire89]

It’s like an old boss of mine used to say when someone made a risky decision that backfired: “Sometimes when you bet on a fart, you end up ****ting your pants”

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mightyfire89

It’s like an old boss of mine used to say when someone made a risky decision that backfired: “Sometimes when you bet on a fart, you end up ****ting your pants”

Thats a good one!