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Old 07-10-2024, 04:17 PM   #4441
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If Stecher is seven, then Brown is top six. Broberg isn't even on the depth chart until they figure out how to get him under contract.

I highly doubt the Oilers signed Brown to a three-year, one-way contract to play in Bakersfield.
Well, they signed Campbell to a five-year, one-way to play in Bakersfield. Granted he only made it to year 2...
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Old 07-10-2024, 04:21 PM   #4442
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Offer a 1 yr, 4.5 mil deal. If a career limiting injury occurs during 24-25, would you rather have 4.5 mil or 1 mil. The threat only gets more real as training camp approaches.
Then you're either stuck with a big qualifying offer to keep a guy who may not be worth the money, or you've given up a 2nd to let the player walk after one year.
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Then you're either stuck with a big qualifying offer to keep a guy who may not be worth the money, or you've given up a 2nd to let the player walk after one year.
Or you end up with an NHL defenseman for a 2nd round pick. Worth the risk in my opinion, 2nd round picks have about a 35% chance of playing more than 99 games (according to Dobbers Hockey). I would think Broberg gets there, at least more than a 35% chance.

Plus you get to screw with the Oilers. Which adds value.
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Arvidsson was a great pickup.

Skinner does nothing to help their already pourous defensive puck management. He's gotta outscore his very weak defensive play, much like Kane.

Brown is the single worst Dman that played in the NHL last year by almost every metric. He's a huge downgrade on a very bad Deharnais.
I like Arvidsson. Though he's an injury risk of course.

Skinner is slow, and bad defensively, but his 5v5 results are among the best on the Sabres over the last 3 years. He has been outscoring his weaknesses. Will be interesting to see if the Oilers can utilize him as well as Buffalo has the last few years.

I don't know Brown from a hole in the wall. The Jfresh cards don't always tell the whole story though. Duncan Keith had terrible underlying stats coming into Edmonton and he ended up having an ok season for the Oilers.

I suspect Brown is just mostly signed for his fighting and won't play all that much. There aren't a lot of teams around with great 7th and 8th D-men, so its about par for the course.
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Who is Skinner going to play with? The Tenderness and Kane? Sounds like alot of nothing.
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Or you end up with an NHL defenseman for a 2nd round pick.
If all he is is an NHL defenceman, he's not worth $4.5 million a year.
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If all he is is an NHL defenceman, he's not worth $4.5 million a year.
You don’t have to pay him that forever. If next year he proves to be a 3rd pair then you sign him to a lesser $ deal for longer term. Cap space isn’t an issue next year. Kotkaniemi signed long term for 4.82 after a year 6.1. Seems like a pretty low risk move to me, especially when you already have 2 2nd round picks next year.
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You don’t have to pay him that forever. If next year he proves to be a 3rd pair then you sign him to a lesser $ deal for longer term. Cap space isn’t an issue next year. Kotkaniemi signed long term for 4.82 after a year 6.1. Seems like a pretty low risk move to me, especially when you already have 2 2nd round picks next year.
Or you keep the pick and get a Basha level prospect who’s currently 17. In 4-5 years when we hope the Flames are good, I know what I’d rather have.
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You don’t have to pay him that forever. If next year he proves to be a 3rd pair then you sign him to a lesser $ deal for longer term.
But he doesn't have to sign that. He can make more money by accepting his QO every year and walking to UFA status. The only way to prevent him from doing that is not to give him a QO, and then he walks right away.
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Old 07-10-2024, 11:14 PM   #4450
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At the end of the day, you took one of the most ready prospects away from edmonton.
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But he doesn't have to sign that. He can make more money by accepting his QO every year and walking to UFA status. The only way to prevent him from doing that is not to give him a QO, and then he walks right away.

They could refuse their QO, and hear those sweet sweet words. Hey do you want to play in Sweden, or Switzerland or Italy for a few years. You'll make good money, get your housing and car paid for, won't have to smell the fart smell wafting through Edmonton, and the Oilers will be forced to move you.
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They could refuse their QO, and hear those sweet sweet words. Hey do you want to play in Sweden, or Switzerland or Italy for a few years. You'll make good money, get your housing and car paid for, won't have to smell the fart smell wafting through Edmonton, and the Oilers will be forced to move you.
But the QO is more money than the player is ever likely to be worth. Why would he refuse it to take less?
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Who is Skinner going to play with? The Tenderness and Kane? Sounds like alot of nothing.
I’m sure they figure (like every year) Draisaitl and McDavid centre two different lines. It did happen more last year, TBF, and RNH ended up on the wing.

I’m sure they envision something like

Hyman-McDavid-Skinner
Kane-Draisaitl-Arviddson
Holloway-RNH-Brown
Janmark-Henrique-Ryan/Perry

It’ll probably end up as:

Hyman-McDavid-RNH
Arviddson-Draisaitl-Skinner
Janmark-Henrique-Brown
Holloway-Ryan-Perry

(Notice no Kane)
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But the QO is more money than the player is ever likely to be worth. Why would he refuse it to take less?
More term.
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Old 07-11-2024, 08:39 AM   #4455
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Yeah, I really don't understand the obsession with the Oilers crappy prospects. Keep the cap space and the pick.
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Yeah, I really don't understand the obsession with the Oilers crappy prospects. Keep the cap space and the pick.
I get the Holloway one only from the standpoint of saving a local kid from Edmonton.
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Perlini giving the backstory on finding out from his mom that he was waived from this classy organization without working telephones. I'd presume it was kevin lowe with the narcissistic injury and who hates ALL moms (yours included).

skip the weird intro and go to 3:30:

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More term.
‘Hey, kid. We have to offer you $4 million for one year to keep your rights. But here we have a contract which is more than you're worth… the same $4 million, spread over THREE years. Go for the term, kid!’
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‘Hey, kid. We have to offer you $4 million for one year to keep your rights. But here we have a contract which is more than you're worth… the same $4 million, spread over THREE years. Go for the term, kid!’
I mean it does seem obtuse, but that's pretty much exactly what Kotkaniemi agreed to (conceptually if not literally).
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‘Hey, kid. We have to offer you $4 million for one year to keep your rights. But here we have a contract which is more than you're worth… the same $4 million, spread over THREE years. Go for the term, kid!’
You said why would someone reject a qualifying offer for less money. Term is the answer. If they can get 6 million a year on their qualifying offer and they know it's only for 1 year and they're being offered 4 million for a longer term then that's why. 4 x 5 is better than one year at 6 million if you're not guaranteed to be in the nhl past that one year.

Nobody is saying someone would accept 6 million a year over 6 years to get that 6 million.
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