Israel dropped bombs in a war Hamas started. Hamas launched countless rockets at Israel for the last 20 years because they are terrorists. There is a massive difference that you are choosing to ignore.
True. Celebrities sign the Israeli bombs, so they’re objectively worth more (people go wild for celebrity endorsed bomb shrapnel online). PLUS they may be killing people way, WAY more people but those are people who are worth way, WAY less. So, you know, in theory Israel bombing Gaza is actually an act of charity.
The recent deaths of more Palestinian children due to hunger and malnutrition leaves no doubt that famine has spread across the entire Gaza strip, a group of independent experts* said today.
“Fayez Ataya, who was barely six months old, died on 30 May 2024 and 13-year-old Abdulqader Al-Serhi died on 1 June 2024 at the Al-Aqsa Hospital in Deir Al-Balah. Nine-year-old Ahmad Abu Reida died on 3 June 2024 in the tent sheltering his displaced family in Al-Mawasi, Khan Younis. All three children died from malnutrition and lack of access to adequate healthcare,” the experts said.
“With the death of these children from starvation despite medical treatment in central Gaza, there is no doubt that famine has spread from northern Gaza into central and southern Gaza.”
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“We declare that Israel’s intentional and targeted starvation campaign against the Palestinian people is a form of genocidal violence and has resulted in famine across all of Gaza. We call upon the international community to prioritise the delivery of humanitarian aid by land by any means necessary, end Israel’s siege, and establish a ceasefire.”
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Thirty-four Palestinians have died from malnutrition since 7 October, the majority being children. Inaction is complicity.”
Crying about signatures on bombs when suicide bombers families make bank off the slaughter of women and children. Weird how some people think blowing up a bus of civilians is the same as targeting a terrorist commander.
Crying about signatures on bombs when suicide bombers families make bank off the slaughter of women and children. Weird how some people think blowing up a bus of civilians is the same as targeting a terrorist commander.
Who is crying? I just said they’re objectively worth more.
I think it’s good that Israel targets terrorist commanders and bad that Hamas targets a bus of civilians.
Why, Israel’s intent is so much more righteous and worthy that I would accept them blowing up 10, 20, even 30 bus loads of civilians for that one terrorist commanders! That’s still better than Hamas killing one, because we all know Israelis are worth at least 30x more than Gazans!
“The situation there is more horrific than anything we’ve heard about Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.” This is how Khaled Mahajneh describes the Sde Teiman detention center as the first lawyer to visit the facility. More than 4,000 Palestinians whom Israel arrested in Gaza have been held at the military base in the Naqab/Negev since October 7; some of them have subsequently been released, but most remain in Israeli detention.
Spoiler!
Multiple media outlets, including CNN and the New York Times, have reported on instances of rape and sexual assault at Sde Teiman. In a video circulating on social media earlier this week, a Palestinian prisoner recently released from the detention camp said that he had personally witnessed multiple rapes, and cases in which Israeli soldiers made dogs sexually assault prisoners.
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Newsflash! All citizens of any country are much more valuable to that country than the citizens of any other country. Unless that country is some degen dictatorship that sees its people as cannon fodder.
You're acting like its some "gotcha" but its just reality, why would Israel value Palestinians more than Israelis? xD
a Palestinian prisoner recently released from the detention camp said...
Israelis captured, taken against their will and held without any sort of charge = hostages.
Palestinians captured, taken against their will and held without any sort of charge = prisoners.
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Newsflash! All citizens of any country are much more valuable to that country than the citizens of any other country. Unless that country is some degen dictatorship that sees its people as cannon fodder.
You're acting like its some "gotcha" but its just reality, why would Israel value Palestinians more than Israelis? xD
Ah, yes! I didn’t realise you were in Israel. That explains everything! I too am in Israel, which is why I believe Israelis are 30x more valuable, so you must be as well, for it would be very silly for you otherwise.
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“The situation there is more horrific than anything we’ve heard about Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.” This is how Khaled Mahajneh describes the Sde Teiman detention center as the first lawyer to visit the facility. More than 4,000 Palestinians whom Israel arrested in Gaza have been held at the military base in the Naqab/Negev since October 7; some of them have subsequently been released, but most remain in Israeli detention.
Spoiler!
Multiple media outlets, including CNN and the New York Times, have reported on instances of rape and sexual assault at Sde Teiman. In a video circulating on social media earlier this week, a Palestinian prisoner recently released from the detention camp said that he had personally witnessed multiple rapes, and cases in which Israeli soldiers made dogs sexually assault prisoners.
Israeli soldiers are terrorists. They are the exact same scum as Hamas terrorists.
This is a fascinating documentary about one Palestinian village during the Nakba (or 1948 Israeli War of Independence) and the national myth-making that Israel has engaged in ever since that blinds much of Israeli society to the nation's own sins.
Most of it consists of interviews with members of the brigade that perpetrated offences in the village in question and Israeli academics at the University of Haifa. Very much worth a watch if you have 95 minutes to spare (and reading the thread above, it will likely leave you to conclude that history is currently in the process of repeating itself).
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Who is crying? I just said they’re objectively worth more.
I think it’s good that Israel targets terrorist commanders and bad that Hamas targets a bus of civilians.
Why, Israel’s intent is so much more righteous and worthy that I would accept them blowing up 10, 20, even 30 bus loads of civilians for that one terrorist commanders! That’s still better than Hamas killing one, because we all know Israelis are worth at least 30x more than Gazans!
Actually, the "proportionate" number of Gazan civilians that Israel thinks it can justify killing apparently varies depending on who is being targeted - from 15 up to and presumably beyond 300 civilians depending on the target of the strike.
This is from the Frontburner podcast interview of a journalist with +972 magazine that I linked earlier in the thread (with apologies for the formatting):
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YUVAL ABRAHAM: Yeah. So this, again, was unprecedented, according to sources,
because when you are generally in the military, when you are marking a target, there is a
target file that includes information. And one piece of information that has to be included in
the target file is how many civilians are expected to be killed alongside the target. And this
is done knowingly in the military. And sources told me that for these low ranking Hamas
militants, because most of the targets that Lavender marked were alleged low ranking
militants, they received an authorization to kill a predetermined number. One source said it
was up to 20 Palestinian civilians per AI marked target in the beginning of the war.
Another source said the number was up to 15 Palestinian civilians per alleged low ranking
militant in the beginning of the war. And they also claimed that these numbers changed.
So the source that claimed the number was 15 said that, you know, it was 15 for a few
weeks, then it went down to five. That became the predetermined collateral damage rate. And then it went up again. And for the senior ranking commanders in Hamas, so these could be battalion commanders, brigade commanders, division commanders, the numbers
for the first time were, according to sources, and this is according to all six sources, in the
triple digits. So one source recalled how in October, they tried to assassinate, for example,
Ayman Nofal. He was the commander of Gaza's central brigade. And the source claimed that the military knowingly authorized to kill 300 Palestinian civilians alongside this target. 300 people. And we spoke to Palestinians who were witnesses of that attack, because the
IDF, you know, the IDF published footage of the attack and we managed to geolocate it to
where it was. And indeed, four multi-story buildings filled with apartments were bombed on
the families that were inside. And Palestinians who talked to us, you know, said that they
found 70 people dead in the first day, and for five days continuously, they took people out
of the rubble. There were hundreds of people who were injured. There are still people who
are buried there until today, even though, you know, it's been months since it happened.
And so the numbers checked out. And I think this is also, I mean, these collateral damage
degrees are also unprecedented in the sense that the IDF has never, you know, these
numbers were nonexistent in the past. And it's also there are no direct comparisons, as far
as I know, with other recent Western, U.S. military operations. So for the United States, for
example, in its three year long war against ISIS, you know, U.S. intelligence sources say
that they had a zero collateral damage degree for like the low ranking militants and a
collateral damage degree of 15. Meaning killing 15 civilians for targets was deemed, you
know, extremely unusual, and you needed to get a special permission. For Osama bin
laden, the amount of civilians that were deemed proportionate to kill were 30 by the United
States. So just you see this compares to like 300 civilians for the Israeli military, according
to sources, and then for Ayman Nofal, and then 30 for Osama bin laden. I mean, I think
this is really, you know, saying that it pushes proportionality to the limit would be an
extreme understatement, because like sources told me that it was very clear to them that
these numbers were completely disproportionate and that this policy was partially
motivated by revenge. That's what one of the sources said. He said it was very, very clear
to him.
That their number for a brigade commander is 10 times the US' number of justified civilian casualties for Osama bin Laden tends to make one question whether they are in fact the most moral army in the world.
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that this policy was partially motivated by revenge. That's what one of the sources said. He said it was very, very clear to him.
You know who else is motivated by revenge? Palestinians. It's kind of amazing Israel has no understanding of exactly what it is they are doing, unless extermination is the ultimate goal. Otherwise they are creating an entire generation who will be seeking...revenge. So short sited and dumb. Also, evil.
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You know who else is motivated by revenge? Palestinians. It's kind of amazing Israel has no understanding of exactly what it is they are doing, unless extermination is the ultimate goal. Otherwise they are creating an entire generation who will be seeking...revenge. So short sited and dumb. Also, evil.
This is exactly it: even from an Israeli standpoint their heavy-handed approach is entirely counterproductive (unless, as you suggest, extermination, cleansing, or total subjugation is the end goal).
Al Jazeera has a documentary called The Night Won't End that is worth watching on this point, as it puts you close to some Palestinian families impacted by the war on Gaza.
What would any normally peaceful/rational person become capable of or inclined towards having suffered losses of this kind?
As the saying goes: Hurt People hurt people. And that cuts both ways.
You know who else is motivated by revenge? Palestinians. It's kind of amazing Israel has no understanding of exactly what it is they are doing, unless extermination is the ultimate goal. Otherwise they are creating an entire generation who will be seeking...revenge. So short sited and dumb. Also, evil.
Yeah Palestinians are motivated to murder Israelis for revenge, not revenge for killed countrymen but for revenge of perceived stolen land that may or may not have even been stolen. They don't even have a number of Israelis they are willing to stop at as they will murder everyone they get their hands on as they showed on Oct 7th. Fighting a suicidal endless war over land instead of accepting peace is truly the sign of great leadership. If Israel defends itself or not doesn't effect the next generation of suicide attackers, they are being created regardless, they just had almost 20 years not being occupied to prove that.
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Yeah Palestinians are motivated to murder Israelis for revenge, not revenge for killed countrymen but for revenge of perceived stolen land that may or may not have even been stolen. They don't even have a number of Israelis they are willing to stop at as they will murder everyone they get their hands on as they showed on Oct 7th. Fighting a suicidal endless war over land instead of accepting peace is truly the sign of great leadership. If Israel defends itself or not doesn't effect the next generation of suicide attackers, they are being created regardless, they just had almost 20 years not being occupied to prove that.
Totally! That’s why no Israelis survive in the West Bank. Those pesky Palestinians are just murdering them like crazy! Every Israeli who moves in? Murdered instantly. Israelis in Israel? All already murdered by Palestinians.
There were rumours that ultranationalist Israeli settlers in the West Bank were committing terrorist attacks and murdering Palestinians but I totally agree man, it’s bull####, since Palestinians are just murdering all of them instantly. This was isn’t even REAL because the Palestinians never stopped murdering the Israelis! There’s none left.
Except for us, brother. We’re in Israel ready to bomb the #### out of any threat right my man? From the sounds of bombs to the sound of baby crying, if we don’t like it then they’re getting a rocket to the face. They’re all worthless anyway, as you said!
So glad we’re on the same page now this is way cooler.
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Totally! That’s why no Israelis survive in the West Bank. Those pesky Palestinians are just murdering them like crazy! Every Israeli who moves in? Murdered instantly. Israelis in Israel? All already murdered by Palestinians.
There were rumours that ultranationalist Israeli settlers in the West Bank were committing terrorist attacks and murdering Palestinians but I totally agree man, it’s bull####, since Palestinians are just murdering all of them instantly. This was isn’t even REAL because the Palestinians never stopped murdering the Israelis! There’s none left.
Except for us, brother. We’re in Israel ready to bomb the #### out of any threat right my man? From the sounds of bombs to the sound of baby crying, if we don’t like it then they’re getting a rocket to the face. They’re all worthless anyway, as you said!
So glad we’re on the same page now this is way cooler.
Oh wow you're still on this fad? I thought you and your buddies would have wrapped up your faux outrage by now that all the protests are winding down. Maybe time to move on to something more trendy. So the west bank is living at peace with Israel? Hmm maybe Gaza should take notes.
Why don't we talk about all the Israelis living in gaza...oh wait there aren't any. I guess that doesn't align with your nonsense. Yup on Oct 7th it didn't really matter who the Palestinians got their hands on, Israelis, Phillipinos, white, black, man woman or child they butchered and raped as many as they could. Are you sitting there and trying to claim that people who have been suicide bombing buses and launching thousands of unguided rockets into civilian areas since the 80's aren't genocidal lunatics? xD
How about we talk about how Oct 7th was about land, murdering women and children over land. Or is that something you feel uncomfortable about?
Oh wow you're still on this fad? I thought you and your buddies would have wrapped up your faux outrage by now that all the protests are winding down. Maybe time to move on to something more trendy. So the west bank is living at peace with Israel? Hmm maybe Gaza should take notes.
Why don't we talk about all the Israelis living in gaza...oh wait there aren't any. I guess that doesn't align with your nonsense. Yup on Oct 7th it didn't really matter who the Palestinians got their hands on, Israelis, Phillipinos, white, black, man woman or child they butchered and raped as many as they could. Are you sitting there and trying to claim that people who have been suicide bombing buses and launching thousands of unguided rockets into civilian areas since the 80's aren't genocidal lunatics? xD
How about we talk about how Oct 7th was about land, murdering women and children over land. Or is that something you feel uncomfortable about?
Who are you talking to? We’re on the same page brother!
As you said, Palestinians are worth less so we shouldn’t even talk about them dying. They’re all genocidal lunatics! Especially the babies. You ever seen a baby walk on to a bus and suicide bomb it? Super crazy, and unbelievable, but THAT is why Israel needs to kill 40x as many women and children, because you can’t even trust the BABIES!
I’m like you man, forget all this other stuff. Let’s just talk about October 7 and suicide bombers on buses. We don’t even need to tell these crazy Gaza defenders (I mean.. HAMAS DEFENDERS am I right???!!) that Israel just killed more people in a day than suicide bombers have in the last 20 years! If we can just distract these dummies long enough then you and I can totally just talk about October 7 ONLY.
Love this for us. I love being on your side now it’s way more fun. As you said: glass that place and all those worth(less than Israeli) women and children!
Some people might think it’s a crazy thing to say but I disagree, I think it’s cool how much you hate them and how much you don’t care. Don’t let ANYBODY tell you different!
