Massive Labour Party win in UK elections

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

But they aren’t the same voters. This shift is mostly about the political realignment where the working class have abandoned the left and are moving to parties of the right while establishment professionals are shifting to the centre-left.

Give it a rest cliff. Historically the working class have always voted for different parties and political ideologies based right or wrong on who they believe will help them better their lives at that time. Want proof? 90% of the population are working class voters and historically there haven’t been very many elections, if any, that have been that lopsided.

The majority of people are not voting based on the flawed left/right spectrum theory that politicians, the media, yourself and a number of others like to peddle as factual when in reality it’s just another divisive piece of rhetoric.

[Itse]

The voting numbers in France do not look like there was much if any strategic voting going on.

If there was a lot of strategic voting on, then what should have been happening is that the two winning coaliations (left and centre) should have increased their vote totals in the 2nd round, as voters from smaller parties that were left out of the 2nd round move to those two parties. That didn't happen. In fact the left coalition dropped from 9 million votes to 2 million votes between the 1st and 2nd round, while the center and far-right coalitions basically kept the same number of voters.

The left coalition did drop out of a lot of 2nd round races where they weren't competing for the win to avoid vote splitting, but it looks like all this did was make a lot of leftist voters stay home. (I would of course love to see a more detailed study on the topic.)

As for the "vote splitting on the right" in the UK election... Populist voters like Reform UK typically hate the main parties, and their voters are also quite likely to not look at the party map from a left-right perspective. Thus the idea that without reform the conservatives would do better is not in any obvious way true.

In fact the French election is a good example of the opposite; the far-rights win (compared to the previous election) was primarily driven by the massively increased voter turnout (from 47% to 66%), not by voters moving from center-right to far-right.

[Fuzz]

I think you may have to look at more detailed results to make that type of conclusion, as they do weird stuff in France like deals between parties that have a lot of withdrawals, so voters really only have 2 choices, right or centre left. You can click around the map a bit to see how it went, though a list display would probably show it better:


https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decode...6676976_8.html

[puffnstuff]

Interesting story about how many possible phantom candidates the Reform Party ran for election. Somewhere around 50 to 75 of them are just paper candidates for funding reasons.

https://bylinetimes.com/2024/07/09/i...ty-candidates/

[Locke]

Ahh the French. A baffling people.

So. When is the next riot scheduled?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Locke

Ahh the French. A baffling people.

So. When is the next riot scheduled?

schedule, we don't need no filthy schedule, every day is a fine day for a riot mon ami