This tweet got my interest piqued in how old this Oilers team will be come June next year and seeing how that compares that to the oldest teams that have ever won the Stanley Cup. Bear in mind that this was just some quick math based on their expected 23 man roster for this year and how old they'll be in June of next year.
Assuming Kane is still on the team and the Oilers find a way to keep Broberg and Holloway, their average age at the start of this year for their expected 23 man roster will be approximately 30.5 years old, meaning they'll be about 31.25 years old come June. Even if you subtract Kane and replace him with an average age NHL player, they would still be an average age of 31 years old come June. And obviously if they lose Broberg/Holloway and replace with average age NHL players their age would go up as well.
From what I can find (quick research, again, so apologies if it's not 100% accurate), the oldest team to ever win the cup was the 01-02 Red Wings with an average age of 30.5.
So, unless they somehow get an infusion of youth throughout the year replacing some of their older players, they would be the oldest team ever to win the cup. Seems like a stretch that they would be able to pull that off after just making the finals the year prior.
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It will be interesting to see how fresh the Oilers old legs are in the 2nd half of the regular season after a short summer. Even the sub-30 year old guys like McDavid and Draisaitl totally wore down in the playoffs and both have the miles of 30-year old players. I believe no Western Conference finals has made back to back Stanley Cup final appearances since the 2008/09 Red Wings as it's so hard to do and the Oilers expect to do that with the oldest team in the league. I don't like their odds at all.
This tweet got my interest piqued in how old this Oilers team will be come June next year and seeing how that compares that to the oldest teams that have ever won the Stanley Cup. Bear in mind that this was just some quick math based on their expected 23 man roster for this year and how old they'll be in June of next year.
Assuming Kane is still on the team and the Oilers find a way to keep Broberg and Holloway, their average age at the start of this year for their expected 23 man roster will be approximately 30.5 years old, meaning they'll be about 31.25 years old come June. Even if you subtract Kane and replace him with an average age NHL player, they would still be an average age of 31 years old come June. And obviously if they lose Broberg/Holloway and replace with average age NHL players their age would go up as well.
From what I can find (quick research, again, so apologies if it's not 100% accurate), the oldest team to ever win the cup was the 01-02 Red Wings with an average age of 30.5.
So, unless they somehow get an infusion of youth throughout the year replacing some of their older players, they would be the oldest team ever to win the cup. Seems like a stretch that they would be able to pull that off after just making the finals the year prior.
can you indulge me and check the 67 Leafs (yes before expansion and colour TV... ) as I always remember hearing that was a particularly famous collection of fossils- now both of their goalies were ancient and the whole blueline was over 30 but in addition to 2 HOF forwards in their late 20s, I think many of their other key forwards were in their 20s also
they would have only had to go through 2 rounds of playoffs at any rate
Watch this short Souray interview, talks about how he broke his hand (almost loses it to infection) and the no good Oiler management thinks he faked the injury:
Thanks for posting. I was intrigued that Myhres had a podcast and searched it up. Pretty interesting premise built around achieving sobriety.
You can get a basic idea of the podcast’s purpose starting at the 15:00 mark here, which segues into the full Edmonton discussion. (VERY much worth the watch…E = NG to the max )
Watch this short Souray interview, talks about how he broke his hand (almost loses it to infection) and the no good Oiler management thinks he faked the injury:
Look at how the Oilers are doing completely the opposite. Now they want players to fake injuries....
I think on the Leon, McDavid, Bouchard contracts its going to be really interesting in terms of the contract dynamics and pressures.
McDavid - "There's no question that the only move that the Oilers can do when it comes to sign him is just to slide a contract under his nose, that's set at the league maximum.
Connor realizes that if he signs this deal, he'll be a rich young man, beyond anyone's wildest dreams, but he'll be a rich young man in Edmonton for 7 more years.
Right now the cap is 88 this year, but 92 next year, and likely will increase by the maximum what 5% the year after from 92 million to what about 96 million. I think that the league maximum is 20% of salary space, so if the Oilers are going to be under pressure from the fans to get him under a max contract, The NHLPA is going to pressure Conner to accept that maximum contract, and Draisaitl is going to be trying to help his friend get to that level. So can Edmonton afford a lets say $!8 mil AAV over lets say 7 years.
Oh and here's the beauty, I'm sure that McDavid has already put in a call to his former agent acting GM of the Oilers and said "Dude if you don't sign my buddy Pissy, I'm not even talking contract with you next year, if you trade him, I'm not interested in staying".
So lets say a 5.5 to 6 million dollar increase in his average pay.
Draisaitl - We've seen the comments of his agent that he felt that Draisaitl has been underpaid by 30% and you can't argue with a guy that's had 5 100 point seasons. Oiler fans are clamouring for a home team discount. Well listen to what his agent said, the pressures on the Oilers.
The NHLPA, McDavid, and Draisaitl's agent have a unified message to the Oilers
1. My client feels that he's been underpaid on his last contract.
2. If the deals not done by the end of August its a sign of the teams interest.
Meanwhile, McDavid, and the NHLPA are going to push hard on this contract to establish value. McDavid because for some ungodly reason he's friends with pissy, the NHLPA because they want to accelerate contracts to match cap hits.
At the same time, you can look at Draisaitl and his agent as they point to Austin Matthews deal at $13.25 I think, and say if you want a stretch argument, Nathan McKinnon is the I think the second highest paid player in the NHL, and justifiably so until the McDavid bill. but, and agents use numbers. Nathan hasn't been as productive as Leon. Add on that Leon has the hammer here, and he already feels that he's been there done that with the home team discount deal.
I would be willing to bet that the starting point for a Leon deal is the max of 7 years at 1 year more then Matthews just to make a point so 13, 250,001.
Bouchard - Now we come to where Oiler friends really f'd themselves. Bouchard finished 5th in Norris voting. put up 82 points in the regular season, more then a point a game in the playoffs, and was a key part of their power play, and he's only 24.
and the Oilers folded to Darnell Nurse and signed him to a 9.250 contract as a RFA. I would expect that Bouchards agents are going to point at that contract and say, I'm better, I'm younger, and I want to be the highest paid blueliner on your team if you want to to sign away any UFA years. Or we can sign a 7 million dollar shot term deal to take me to UFA status, and then I'm gone.
After signing a 9.5 million dollar a year contract, Evan changes his jersey number to 13 as a salute to his favourite menu item number on the McDonald's menu, the 10 piece Chick McNuggets with two packages of dipping lard.
So here's my prediction 1 - Every thing goes right for the Oilers
McDavid 7 years $18 million
Draisaitl 7 years 13.250 million
Bouchard 7 years 9.5 million.
Total 40.750
So after that's done, we have an Oiler team in 26 27 with 8 players signed, and between 27 and 31 million left in cap space.
So here's prediction 2 - Things go sideways here, and the Oilers can't reach a deal by the end of August. The Oilers do really well in the regular season and they can't afford to trade Draisaitl and throw the dice on winning the cup, and they don't, and Draisaitl leaves for nothing. And the end of the year, McDavid calls a press conference, and says that he can't see himself staying with an Edmonton team that couldn't reach a contract agreement with the second best player in the league in Draisaitl, and its clear that the Oilers are going to rebuild, and he'd like to be traded.
Meanwhile Bouchard watches this press conference from a couch stuffed with virgins wile he snacks on his new 7 big mac a day diet now that he's making nearly 10 million bucks a year for the next 7 years.
The Oilers going in to 2026 27 would have 6 players under contract with 57 a year in cap space, probably a big bucket of picks and prospects from McDavid's trade, and nothing from Draisaitl. They will have a grim future with not a lot on the farm and nothing to build on. Oiler fans avoid Oiler tickets like the plague as their best player is a midget named Matthew Savoie who put up 15 goals the year before, and then the NHL phones Katz and says, "Sorry Bra, but under our new rules, we're going to relegate your team to the AHL until you unscrew themselves.
Bow bow bow, applause applause applause.
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Watch this short Souray interview, talks about how he broke his hand (almost loses it to infection) and the no good Oiler management thinks he faked the injury:
I published a magazine for 30 years, and my father in law was a linotype operator. Jay is 100% correct. In 30 years in the magazine business no one ever used the term lede. And it was taught as lead in journalism school. My father in law is the only person I ever encountered who used the term lede. It is a typesetting term from the hot lead days, and not a journalism term.
I think on the Leon, McDavid, Bouchard contracts its going to be really interesting in terms of the contract dynamics and pressures.
McDavid - "There's no question that the only move that the Oilers can do when it comes to sign him is just to slide a contract under his nose, that's set at the league maximum.
Connor realizes that if he signs this deal, he'll be a rich young man, beyond anyone's wildest dreams, but he'll be a rich young man in Edmonton for 7 more years.
Right now the cap is 88 this year, but 92 next year, and likely will increase by the maximum what 5% the year after from 92 million to what about 96 million. I think that the league maximum is 20% of salary space, so if the Oilers are going to be under pressure from the fans to get him under a max contract, The NHLPA is going to pressure Conner to accept that maximum contract, and Draisaitl is going to be trying to help his friend get to that level. So can Edmonton afford a lets say $!8 mil AAV over lets say 7 years.
Oh and here's the beauty, I'm sure that McDavid has already put in a call to his former agent acting GM of the Oilers and said "Dude if you don't sign my buddy Pissy, I'm not even talking contract with you next year, if you trade him, I'm not interested in staying".
So lets say a 5.5 to 6 million dollar increase in his average pay.
Draisaitl - We've seen the comments of his agent that he felt that Draisaitl has been underpaid by 30% and you can't argue with a guy that's had 5 100 point seasons. Oiler fans are clamouring for a home team discount. Well listen to what his agent said, the pressures on the Oilers.
The NHLPA, McDavid, and Draisaitl's agent have a unified message to the Oilers
1. My client feels that he's been underpaid on his last contract.
2. If the deals not done by the end of August its a sign of the teams interest.
Meanwhile, McDavid, and the NHLPA are going to push hard on this contract to establish value. McDavid because for some ungodly reason he's friends with pissy, the NHLPA because they want to accelerate contracts to match cap hits.
At the same time, you can look at Draisaitl and his agent as they point to Austin Matthews deal at $13.25 I think, and say if you want a stretch argument, Nathan McKinnon is the I think the second highest paid player in the NHL, and justifiably so until the McDavid bill. but, and agents use numbers. Nathan hasn't been as productive as Leon. Add on that Leon has the hammer here, and he already feels that he's been there done that with the home team discount deal.
I would be willing to bet that the starting point for a Leon deal is the max of 7 years at 1 year more then Matthews just to make a point so 13, 250,001.
Bouchard - Now we come to where Oiler friends really f'd themselves. Bouchard finished 5th in Norris voting. put up 82 points in the regular season, more then a point a game in the playoffs, and was a key part of their power play, and he's only 24.
and the Oilers folded to Darnell Nurse and signed him to a 9.250 contract as a RFA. I would expect that Bouchards agents are going to point at that contract and say, I'm better, I'm younger, and I want to be the highest paid blueliner on your team if you want to to sign away any UFA years. Or we can sign a 7 million dollar shot term deal to take me to UFA status, and then I'm gone.
After signing a 9.5 million dollar a year contract, Evan changes his jersey number to 13 as a salute to his favourite menu item number on the McDonald's menu, the 10 piece Chick McNuggets with two packages of dipping lard.
So here's my prediction 1 - Every thing goes right for the Oilers
McDavid 7 years $18 million
Draisaitl 7 years 13.250 million
Bouchard 7 years 9.5 million.
Total 40.750
So after that's done, we have an Oiler team in 26 27 with 8 players signed, and between 27 and 31 million left in cap space.
So here's prediction 2 - Things go sideways here, and the Oilers can't reach a deal by the end of August. The Oilers do really well in the regular season and they can't afford to trade Draisaitl and throw the dice on winning the cup, and they don't, and Draisaitl leaves for nothing. And the end of the year, McDavid calls a press conference, and says that he can't see himself staying with an Edmonton team that couldn't reach a contract agreement with the second best player in the league in Draisaitl, and its clear that the Oilers are going to rebuild, and he'd like to be traded.
Meanwhile Bouchard watches this press conference from a couch stuffed with virgins wile he snacks on his new 7 big mac a day diet now that he's making nearly 10 million bucks a year for the next 7 years.
The Oilers going in to 2026 27 would have 6 players under contract with 57 a year in cap space, probably a big bucket of picks and prospects from McDavid's trade, and nothing from Draisaitl. They will have a grim future with not a lot on the farm and nothing to build on. Oiler fans avoid Oiler tickets like the plague as their best player is a midget named Matthew Savoie who put up 15 goals the year before, and then the NHL phones Katz and says, "Sorry Bra, but under our new rules, we're going to relegate your team to the AHL until you unscrew themselves.
Bow bow bow, applause applause applause.
If they're resigning with Edmonton for 7 years, why wouldn't they negotiate for the maximum 8 years?
It will be interesting to see how fresh the Oilers old legs are in the 2nd half of the regular season after a short summer. Even the sub-30 year old guys like McDavid and Draisaitl totally wore down in the playoffs and both have the miles of 30-year old players. I believe no Western Conference finals has made back to back Stanley Cup final appearances since the 2008/09 Red Wings as it's so hard to do and the Oilers expect to do that with the oldest team in the league. I don't like their odds at all.
This is a legit concern for me, the short offseason, along with the wear and tear of the playoffs. But once again I think you all underestimate this team’s drive to win, led by McDavid himself. They’ll be hungrier than ever, and that should more than offset any of the other factors you bring up.
As well, there is something to be said about experience, which the Oilers are now a lot richer in. I notice, in all the negative spin on here, never is it mentioned that, the experience of this latest run will help the team, and that the younger players on the oilers, like Bouchard, Holloway and Broberg, are going to get even better.
This is a legit concern for me, the short offseason, along with the wear and tear of the playoffs. But once again I think you all underestimate this team’s drive to win, led by McDavid himself. They’ll be hungrier than ever, and that should more than offset any of the other factors you bring up.
As well, there is something to be said about experience, which the Oilers are now a lot richer in. I notice, in all the negative spin on here, never is it mentioned that, the experience of this latest run will help the team, and that the younger players on the oilers, like Bouchard, Holloway and Broberg, are going to get even better.
How many times has McDavid's drive to win garnered his team a championship in any league/tournament?
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the younger players on the oilers, like Bouchard, Holloway and Broberg, are going to get even better.
The older players on the Oilers are going to get worse, the PK is objectively worse without McLeod, and McDavid and Draisaitl have peaked or are at their peak (don't expect more).
The older players on the Oilers are going to get worse, the PK is objectively worse without McLeod, and McDavid and Draisaitl have peaked or are at their peak (don't expect more).
Skinner’s going into only his third year, with a ton of valuable experience. McDavid and Draisatl, are in their prime. Hey I’m not saying there aren’t significant issues lying ahead, but this year, nope… other than the short offseason and possible injuries through a season, which as I said is a mild concern.
The older players on the Oilers are going to get worse, the PK is objectively worse without McLeod, and McDavid and Draisaitl have peaked or are at their peak (don't expect more).
Oh, and the PK will be fine. I have to laugh at the fact this forum so highly exalts Ryan McLeod now, after he’s been traded. I admit I liked his game for the most part but he was a small factor in the finals run. Arviddson and Skinner will more than cover the hole McLeod leaves.
) as I always remember hearing that was a particularly famous collection of fossils- now both of their goalies were ancient and the whole blueline was over 30 but in addition to 2 HOF forwards in their late 20s, I think many of their other key forwards were in their 20s also
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