According to Coleman, Tkachuk wanted to stay

[flamingred89]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You must not remember Doug Risebrough or Craig Button. Or Jay Feaster, come to that.

Oh I do. They just didnt have any cash to deal with so tried to make some weird hailmary's. Treliving realized he ####ed up and instead of being mature about it, and putting his tail between his legs, he doubled down with millions of dollars of bad contracts.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Long term was 6 that year, same duration as Marner and Rantanen, it's been talked about endlessly.

And in the end it might change nothing, as he could have still asked for a trade that offseason if he really wanted to.

Tkachuk with 3 years on his contract would have put the Flames in a much better trade position than RFA Tkachuk heading to arbitration.

[Macho0978]

It sucks we lost Tkachuk but he was only staying if Johnny stayed. That team wasn’t winning

Tkachuk leaving was need to this team to hit rock bottom

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You must not remember Doug Risebrough or Craig Button. Or Jay Feaster, come to that.

Jay Feaster’s draft picks were the core of Treliving’s teams.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

It sucks we lost Tkachuk but he was only staying if Johnny stayed. That team wasn’t winning

Tkachuk leaving was need to this team to hit rock bottom

Let’s get excited with how things are looking now. New GM and a team that is loaded and bad enough to get a franchise center

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

Oh I do. They just didnt have any cash to deal with so tried to make some weird hailmary's.

That wasn't their only problem.

Button lost Phil Housley on waivers because he was stupid enough to pick up a $2.5-million defenceman who couldn't play. He traded Giguere because he was afraid the fans wouldn't let him risk losing Fred Brathwaite in an expansion draft. He gave away Marc Savard because he preferred to keep the coach instead of the player, and then fired the coach anyway. Those decisions were not motivated by a lack of cash.

Likewise, Risebrough didn't personally piss off Doug Gilmour to the point of quitting the team because his budget was too small. Nor did he manage to lose all four of his team's regular centres in one off-season because he had no money to keep any of them. He didn't trade Gilmour (plus four other good players) for Gary Leeman (plus four other bad players) to save money. And while he slightly repaired the damage from that trade by swapping Leeman for Brian Skrudland, it was his own stupidity that led him to expose Skrudland in an expansion draft, thinking that someone who had just spent tens of millions for an expansion team would balk at paying $700,000 for a top defensive forward.

Treliving made plenty of dumb moves, but he also made a lot of really good moves. Like most GMs, he couldn't figure out how to turn a promising team into a genuine contender. That doesn't even put him in the conversation for worst GM in franchise history.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He has been here a lot longer than 4 months.

Still whining? Grow up officer dissentowner.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Jay Feaster’s draft picks were the core of Treliving’s teams.

Those players were picked by the scouts that Darryl Sutter hired. When Feaster got involved, he used a first-round pick to take ‘the best player in the draft’, Mark Jankowski – who was not part of the core of anything.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sure, but I think it’s still pretty important for all of us to agree Brad Treliving is an idiot. In four years from now, we can still ruminate on this as I’m sure it will put our minds at ease.

What is your relationship to Brad?

When Brad was first hired I was skeptical as I didn't think he had enough experience. I still don't think he was the right guy. You might not like it but that's just my honest opinion. Conroy doesn't have a lot of experience either but coming up through the organization and being a skilled player himself those are some good intangibles. So far I think he's doing a good job.

Conroy said that Brad tended to do things on his own, but that he himself likes to involve the management team more so in the process. That may have some advantages.

I was a big fan of Darryl Sutter for a long time, I thought he did some excellent things when he was coaching here the first time, but was not a very good GM. I pumped his tires a lot on this site because I thought we needed an experienced coach, but the Darryl that arrived, was much different from the one I remember, maybe as he got older and being away from the game he lost touch a bit with the players, and of course coaching styles have changed over the years.

Lots of people know I pumped his tires a lot but there were lots of people here who didn't agree. I didn't have a problem with that, that's okay too. I thought he would be the solution for the team, in the end he didn't do a good job. My point is there's lots of people on here who don't agree with Brad, I'm one of them, and that's okay. I just find it odd that you defend him at every turn, but some people like what he did some people didn't, and that's okay. Not everybody likes oranges, not everybody likes apples, that doesn't make them bad people. It certainly doesn't make Brad a bad person. But don't be surprised on the forum with passionate hockey fans that some people are going to have different opinions about the GM. Right now people really like what Conroy is doing, but there's going to be people down the road who might disagree with some of his decisions and that's okay too.

I wasn't a fan of Brads hiring from the very beginning, I am pretty open-minded, but through his solid work he didn't really change my mind. I just don't think he was the right guy for the Calgary Flames. He did some things well but I think he lacked experience in other areas that set the organization back. My preference was to have more experienced, more proven GM before Brad was hired.

Definitely people don't have all the information so sometimes they jump to conclusions about what's happened or didn't happen or how things went down, or were run behind the scenes. But don't be surprised that some people are going to have a different opinion and not everybody was a fan of Brad, but lots of people were, and that's okay too.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Those players were picked by the scouts that Darryl Sutter hired. When Feaster got involved, he used a first-round pick to take ‘the best player in the draft’, Mark Jankowski – who was not part of the core of anything.

Feaster drafted Gaudreau, and Monahan.

Gio, Brodie and Backlund were Darryl’s (and his best finds on outside Kiprusoff).

Treliving’s core adds are Bennett, Tkachuk, Andersson, Hamilton, Lindholm and Hanifin.

Outside Tkachuk, nobody Treliving ever added was more important to this team than Feaster’s guys.

Or Darryl’s, for that matter.

And that’s said with no great love for Jay “I don’t know the rules of the CBA” Feaster.

[flamingred89]

The hate for Feaster is almost as hilarious as the love for the "wizard". The dude was here for like 2.5 years and let the hockey dudes do their thing. He just facilitated things like a lawyer. And yet he has a cup with Tampa and provided some of the most fun years of flames hockey. What a loser.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Feaster drafted Gaudreau, and Monahan.

Feaster personally drafted Gaudreau? No, the scouts did that. Tod Button was there long before Feaster.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Still whining? Grow up officer dissentowner.

Still following me around Spurs? Good to know.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by Locke

Not I.

I am perfectly aware that Treliving screwed this team hard and he screwed it long. He was an incompetent Buffoon.

And I am no 'Insider' but every single person I've talked to has indicated that Ownership never wanted him back. Which is why he wasn't allowed to negotiate with other teams.

The change of that decision came because his Dad basically begged for it.

And for whatever reason Toronto decided: "oh yes! That! Lets get us some of that!"

Treliving should have been fired a long time ago.

This…so much this. An absolute BRUTAL GM. I couldn’t believe someone hired him after what two second round drubbings in a decade? Mediocrity at its finest…

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Those players were picked by the scouts that Darryl Sutter hired. When Feaster got involved, he used a first-round pick to take ‘the best player in the draft’, Mark Jankowski – who was not part of the core of anything.

Janko was a late first rounder and was above average for the draft position...not a bad pick

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

The hate for Feaster is almost as hilarious as the love for the "wizard". The dude was here for like 2.5 years and let the hockey dudes do their thing. He just facilitated things like a lawyer. And yet he has a cup with Tampa and provided some of the most fun years of flames hockey. What a loser.

I don't know if hate is the right word. Feaster did a lot of good things and lack of experience caught up with him. There probably isn't a person out there who wouldn't have made mistakes. But he did a lot of good things and put the Flames in a good situation.


Brad did a lot of good things too and was very passionate about the Flames, and the organization. He was constantly in on trades, trying to bring in established players. I agree with TOfan's assessment about the judgements and the hate that gets thrown around. As fans if we can avoid extremes, and reflect on the good, we can gain a bit of perspective. Most of us couldn't do what these general managers have to do, I would have to think most of us would be prone to all kinds of mistakes. The people out there doing these jobs, are good people doing the best they can.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Every GM does good and bad things. I think Treliving's best attribute is how he talks - he is really good in front of the camera. Sutter was terrible in front of the camera. Feaster always seemed like a shady snakeoil or used car salesman to me with how he spoke, and when he screwed up, he would disappear for a long time. However, was he a good GM?


The first time the Flames made the playoffs under his watch, they went to round 2. However, that's on the backs of Sutter's guys (Gio- monster that season until he got hurt, Brodie was a playoff monster that series, Ferkland was a literal monster, Stajan was great) and Feaster's guys (Gaudreau, Monahan) and even Burke's guy (Bennett).



Think about this - how awesome was that Gio-Brodie combo as a top pair? They were darlings out there that tilted the ice. Conroy started out with less than Treliving did - way less. Treliving didn't have a single bad contract on the books until he signed some. Continuously. Treliving overspent on the bottom 6 and bottom pairing guys on the roster, he used too much draft capital on players that didn't move the needle, but he nickel and dimed the young stars/core of the group. He also hired poor coach after poor coach. At the end of the day, Treliving was never able to better that 2nd round playoff season even though he started off with a hell of a good clean slate with burgeoning talent.



Conroy started off with much less, and he has bad cap too (Huberdeau), and a bunch of players that got tired of playing here for some reason. The exodus started under Treliving.



Was Treliving some dumb idiot? No, I don't believe he was. However, he was given the keys to a team that he was not able to improve during his whole tenure here, if you are looking at playoffs. This team was a bubble team always in or out of the playoffs, and he could do no better than a swift 2nd round exit. He spent more draft picks than most contenders, but this team never went on a single run under his watch.



Treliving was not an idiot GM. However, I can't make an argument other than he was just mediocre here. Sure, 2nd best regular season team one year (but lost in the 1st round). There were some regular season accolades to be awarded. There weren't any playoff accolades though. This team was never a contender, they never went on a run, and they only managed to win 1 game in both 2nd round playoff losses. There is no way for someone to convince me that Treliving built a good team, because if he had, then this good team would have at least made it to the 2nd round, if not a cup final one year. Fletcher built a powerhouse that won the cup. Sutter built a powerhouse that was a phantom goal shy of winning the cup. Treliving... did not have any notable success.


Conroy I am have hopes for. I have really agreed with all his moves, and he seems to be pushing the 'patience' angle, which is something that the Flames have lacked under Treliving. If you watch the last few media availabilities, Conroy is basically saying that this will take some time, so I can only assume that he is not intending to rush things. This gives me a lot of hope. Too early to anoint Conroy as anything one way or another at this point in his tenure, but he has at least seemingly been working some magic with all those trades he had to make, and the injection of talent on defence.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Janko was a late first rounder and was above average for the draft position...not a bad pick

Jankowski was ranked in the 40s, and Feaster moved down. I think Hertl, Teravainen, Wilson or Vasilevskiy might have been better picks.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You must not remember Doug Risebrough or Craig Button. Or Jay Feaster, come to that.

Craig Button and Jay Feaster were bad at their jobs but Doug Risebrough wasn't only a bad GM he was a complete ass hat of a human being. Total idiot.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Muta

At the Stampede / Cowboys wearing a cowboy hat on the first official night... you can take Chucky out of Calgary, but you can't take Calgary out of Chucky.

Yea. Unfortunately it was thw Chucky in Calgary that we needed.