[Rumour] Kylington to test free agency

[DJones]

Wonder how long he'll wait for offers to come in from other teams? That's gotta be stressful.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

You can be homeless and have mental health issues. You can also be rich and have mental health problems. Maybe people just don't really understand it.

It also isn't usually a thing you can just cure with money. You can't just give someone a million dollars and cure them of a bunch of bad internal thoughts.

Either way, I just wish the best for Kylington whatever he decides to do. There is a lot of extra pressure in Canadian markets anyways that might not be the best thing for him. So I understand he can make whatever decision he wants.

You have to admit though, having an employer that financially supports you at 100% your salary while you take a 20 month leave of absence is a pretty huge advantage for someone seeking treatment for mental health. It must remove a lot of the hardships that most normies in the workforce would go through.

This is a topic outside of Kylington though and has nothing to do with him and doesn't mean he isn't worthy of the same empathy as anyone else. Obviously the industry he is in has advantages that make an easier path for seeking help. Can't fault him for that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That's not what I said either, but hey, lie away if that's the only way you get to feel self-righteous.



He's still able to play professional hockey. He's receiving the best care available. He's alive.

His life has not been destroyed. When I used that term, I meant it LITERALLY, as in DEAD.

I’m not sure if this is just a situation where people don’t understand social cues and how conversation generally works and everything, but the majority of people in any conversation would take “I know people in way worse situations, those are the people I have the most sympathy for” as dismissive or an attempt to de-value what someone is going through.

It’s not the trauma olympics. I’m sure a lot of people know someone who has been in a worse situation or gone through a worse situation themselves (the fact that people who have, have spoken up about how much they dislike a lot of the commentary here should be a pretty big signal for people).

Unless you’re bringing it up to explain why you have a lot of empathy/sympathy for this situation, it’s probably not worth brining up. Everybody knows what people are doing when they point out people who have it worse and who they have sympathy for (that isn’t Kylington). We don’t have to pretend this is the first time we’ve all been in social situations and nobody knows what these things mean.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

No, people are still debating if OK made a stupid career decision by turning down the one and only contract offer thus far or the Flames are being dicks not giving in to OK's demands...

I think we should organize a fight at the park to settle this issue.

I see.

Well this torch fluid doesnt last forever so I need to know.

Also...it ain't gonna be me. OK would KO me...probably immediately. I have enough problems so I can't really have that.

I was okay with the torches and pitchforks, but hand-to-hand combat? That nonsense is just not on!

I thought we could scare him out of the village like Frankenstein's monster? But we really don't have to since he seems intent on leaving anyways?

Regardless, the point of this sequence of seemingly ridiculous posts is to effectively raise a mirror to the sequence of other ridiculous posts.

Kylington is going to do what he's going to do. And you know what else? The Calgary Flames are going to suck either way.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Entering the assistance program is confidential. There is no reason capfriendly would have the information if Kylington didn’t want everyone to know the information.

Fair enough, it is confidential. The whole world knew he was seeking help though, so it would be kind of pointless to not announce it like several other players have over the last couple of seasons.

Another thing that speaks to him not being in the program is that once a player is cleared to play, the team can't stop them from returning. This past season, it was actually the Flames who said Kylington was unable to participate because he didn't pass the team's medical testing. This would insinuate that he didn't go through an NHL approved program.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by DJones

Wonder how long he'll wait for offers to come in from other teams? That's gotta be stressful.

I’d think if your spot is a 5-6 Dman and you don’t have a contract at this point, the writing is on the wall that you aren’t getting big money or multiple years.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

This whole thread reads like a really bad episode of It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia. Just a bunch of ill informed nitwits yelling over each other thinking they solved the world's problems.

It’s the battle of the smartest people in the room

Unstoppable force meets immovable object.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m not sure if this is just a situation where people don’t understand social cues and how conversation generally works and everything, but the majority of people in any conversation would take “I know people in way worse situations, those are the people I have the most sympathy for” as dismissive or an attempt to de-value what someone is going through.

It’s not the trauma olympics. I’m sure a lot of people know someone who has been in a worse situation or gone through a worse situation themselves (the fact that people who have, have spoken up about how much they dislike a lot of the commentary here should be a pretty big signal for people).

Unless you’re bringing it up to explain why you have a lot of empathy/sympathy for this situation, it’s probably not worth brining up. Everybody knows what people are doing when they point out people who have it worse and who they have sympathy for (that isn’t Kylington). We don’t have to pretend this is the first time we’ve all been in social situations and nobody knows what these things mean.

There's your first mistake.

This isn't a social situation. In social situations, people don't communicate in written words without facial cues, tone of voice, or body language to help put across their meaning.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

There's your first mistake.

This isn't a social situation. In social situations, people don't communicate in written words without facial cues, tone of voice, or body language to help put across their meaning.

Not my mistake.

It is a social situation. And it’s weird you don’t think it is. It’s even weirder that’s what you got hung up on.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Not my mistake.

It is a social situation. And it’s weird you don’t think it is. It’s even weirder that’s what you got hung up on.

It is your mistake.

This is written communication.

Speech has been around for at least 200,000 years, and in all that time, except for very specialized circumstances (such as conversation-books for the profoundly deaf), people have never used writing to communicate in social situations.

This is something entirely different, and it does not work like face-to-face contact. Here, for instance, we have trolls who don't even regard other posters as human beings (I don't mean you; I'm sure you can think of examples). In a real social situation, such people would be shown the door and never invited back. Here, they just keep spawning new accounts under different aliases. The number of people who can carry on a genuine social conversation is limited; here, we can have scores of people participating in a thread.

It's not the same thing at all, and frankly, if you think it is, then your reactions are naturally going to be calibrated wrong.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It is your mistake.

This is written communication.

Speech has been around for at least 200,000 years, and in all that time, except for very specialized circumstances (such as conversation-books for the profoundly deaf), people have never used writing to communicate in social situations.

This is something entirely different, and it does not work like face-to-face contact. Here, for instance, we have trolls who don't even regard other posters as human beings (I don't mean you; I'm sure you can think of examples). In a real social situation, such people would be shown the door and never invited back. Here, they just keep spawning new accounts under different aliases. The number of people who can carry on a genuine social conversation is limited; here, we can have scores of people participating in a thread.

It's not the same thing at all, and frankly, if you think it is, then your reactions are naturally going to be calibrated wrong.

…you think a social situation exclusively refers to like… a party… or a church “social,” don’t you? lol

That makes sense now.

But no, man. A social situation is just a situation where (in this case) people interact with other people. It has nothing to do with the type of communications.

People use writing to communicate in social situations all the time. We’re doing it right now. People do it in chats, message boards, texts, etc. It’s not 1970. You maybe had an argument when written communication was just sending letters, but you’re on something that was invented since then and really made 200,000 years of history irrelevant in terms of defining a social situation.

If you’re really going to get weirdly hung up on this I can start quoting the dictionary and sociology essays or textbooks relating to online social interaction. It’ll be harder for you to pretend I made a mistake, so your call.

But regardless of what you decided, we both know this really has nothing to do with the point I was making, which is that everyone knows, regardless of how or in what situation it’s communicated in, what someone is doing when they respond to someone’s hardship by bringing up someone that has it worse and saying that’s who they REALLY feel sorry for. No sense in running from the truth of that by pretending you don’t know what a social situation is.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

…you think a social situation exclusively refers to like… a party… or a church “social,” don’t you? lol

I know that there is a difference between face-to-face communication and written communication, and the shortcuts and elisions appropriate for one (where much of the meaning is conveyed non-verbally) are not appropriate for the other (where everything depends on the bare text). You clearly don't get that.

Now as to your point:

I have, in the strict sense, NO ‘sympathy’ for Oliver Kylington. Cheap talk on a message forum about a person you have never met, who doesn't know you from Adam, and whom you have no intention of helping in any way, doesn't count as sympathy to me. Accusing other people of lacking sympathy in such a context is just egotistical preening at best; bullying at worst. It amounts to saying, ‘You are a bad person because you do not repeat the magic words that I use to prove I am a good person.’ But it's all just words, with no possibility that it will ever issue in any kind of action. You don't prove that you are a good person by yapping on a message board about how much you care; though simple people may occasionally be fooled by it.

I'm guessing you are another of these people who have never heard the expression, ‘Actions speak louder than words.’ Talking about how much you feel for other people doesn't make you a good person. It can mean no more than that you are lying.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I know that there is a difference between face-to-face communication and written communication, and the shortcuts and elisions appropriate for one (where much of the meaning is conveyed non-verbally) are not appropriate for the other (where everything depends on the bare text). You clearly don't get that.

Now as to your point:

I have, in the strict sense, NO ‘sympathy’ for Oliver Kylington. Cheap talk on a message forum about a person you have never met, who doesn't know you from Adam, and whom you have no intention of helping in any way, doesn't count as sympathy to me. Accusing other people of lacking sympathy in such a context is just egotistical preening at best; bullying at worst. It amounts to saying, ‘You are a bad person because you do not repeat the magic words that I use to prove I am a good person.’ But it's all just words, with no possibility that it will ever issue in any kind of action. You don't prove that you are a good person by yapping on a message board about how much you care; though simple people may occasionally be fooled by it.

I'm guessing you are another of these people who have never heard the expression, ‘Actions speak louder than words.’ Talking about how much you feel for other people doesn't make you a good person. It can mean no more than that you are lying.

I can see that the definition of a “social situation” is not the only thing you have a poor and unravelling grip on, to say it gently.

I don’t want to take anything away from the unhinged rant, but I genuinely find it funny that you aren’t the first person who thinks expressing sympathy or just being a normal person are some vain attempts at being seen as this good, amazing person. I promise, sympathy is a lot easier than you think. It’s just a feeling. I have feelings when I watch commercials sometimes. They aren’t really hard to come by and people who feel feelings aren’t some amazing saints.

Maybe your insecurities are right and you feel like people are trying to make you out like you’re a bad person because you are?

Nobody is forcing you to dismiss and de-value what someone else is going through, or accuse people who are just expressing their feelings as “liars” because you don’t feel the same. Nobody is forcing you point your finger around and call people bullies and talk about their ego because they pointed out something you already admitted was true and you’re just mad they said it, too.

You don’t prove you’re a good person through sharing your thoughts, but nobody is trying to. You can prove you’re kind of an ####### though, and it seems like you’re really trying to lol.

[the-rasta-masta]

I don’t even care about which side of the argument I agree with. So much condescension and belief in his own absolute truth in every PepsiFree post. Why not make your points without needing to be a prick about it?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Just throwing this out there, but the San Francisco Bay Area has perhaps the largest Eritrean diaspora in North America. Plus the Sharks could be an organization in need of someone with Kylington's skill set.

Again, not saying whether or not such a community would offer a good support network.

Just something that occurred to me.

[Winnie]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I can see that the definition of a “social situation” is not the only thing you have a poor and unravelling grip on, to say it gently.

I don’t want to take anything away from the unhinged rant, but I genuinely find it funny that you aren’t the first person who thinks expressing sympathy or just being a normal person are some vain attempts at being seen as this good, amazing person. I promise, sympathy is a lot easier than you think. It’s just a feeling. I have feelings when I watch commercials sometimes. They aren’t really hard to come by and people who feel feelings aren’t some amazing saints.

Maybe your insecurities are right and you feel like people are trying to make you out like you’re a bad person because you are?

Nobody is forcing you to dismiss and de-value what someone else is going through, or accuse people who are just expressing their feelings as “liars” because you don’t feel the same. Nobody is forcing you point your finger around and call people bullies and talk about their ego because they pointed out something you already admitted was true and you’re just mad they said it, too.

You don’t prove you’re a good person through sharing your thoughts, but nobody is trying to. You can prove you’re kind of an ####### though, and it seems like you’re really trying to lol.

You are truly insufferable.

[Sec214]

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

I don’t even care about which side of the argument I agree with. So much condescension and belief in his own absolute truth in every PepsiFree post. Why not make your points without needing to be a prick about it?

What would be the fun in that?

Originally Posted by Winnie

You are truly insufferable.

Close your account.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Keep eating pepsifree. I for one enjoy your dismantling of posts.

Also, don't forget, when you post in that one thread defending women and children being slaughtered you'll have people follow you around like snufflepagus that seethe but won't ever debate you just follow you around and thank any post against you.

You have haters which means you're doing something right.

[fotze2]

I think the Flames and we should be proud of how they handled this, so should Oliver. He has always seemed like a Florida type guy. He wants to move on and maybe the Flames do too. Fans always think the draft is there for players. No it’s an arbitrary talent distribution system that eliminates your options of employment. Hone your skill til the point you are tops in the world and Edmonton picks you and you have to be there for 6 years.

Also, I’m so sick of the mental health slogan of removing the stigma or raising awareness. Fata off. Struggle with mental health and some boob comes by raising awareness with a smile. How about we try fixing now after all this awareness money that was raised. Like funding company mental health amounts more than naturopath or chiropractic. 2.2 visits a year is all that’s allowed.