[Rumour] Kylington to test free agency

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I mean, you do hate ex Flames lol. You trash them constantly to the point where it’s a running gag.

And who cares what’s being said on facebook? or reddit? Seriously, if you need to justify what you’re saying by saying “someone said it worse on facebook!” then it’s probably a stupid thing to say in the first place.

Barnburner? Fan960? SN? TSN?

Its a fairly universal opinion that him and his camp made a poor decision in turning down the Flames offer.

I dislike some ex Flames, mainly two...one has mostly redeemed himself recently. Its still irrelevant to a conversation about a player I am wanting the Flames to sign but just not give term.

If someone had a legit point to debate me on they would but I am pretty iron clad on this one. I'm annoyed that people think I am attacking a player for saying with his track record it was insane to hold out for term. He signs a one year deal and I am cheering as loudly for this guy as anyone.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

I know they could have refused but they didn't. I understand that. Do you understand they did agree?

Yes, I understand that. So why are you arguing that the alternative could never have happened?

The Flames had a choice if they wanted to let Kylington stay home and they did. Nobody has said they didn't have the choice to deny his request. If they did then he could have showed up to camp and still not be suspended.

But you have specifically argued with people who gave the team credit for doing that, saying that they had no choice.

[topfiverecords]

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Jesus christ Jay Random. The Flames couldn't have suspended him for not showing up because they agreed for him to not show up.

I don't care if they could have if he didn't. That's not what happened. If my dad was 6"9 I might be taller but too bad that's just not reality.

Flames agreed for him to not show up. Those are the facts.

nm..,JR covered it.

Amazing.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

coming from a guy that trolls people by PM that is rich

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You can tell if any Flames player is traded or no longer under contract with the Flames when Dino comes in with a sudden stabbing spree into said players back. Like clockwork.

This Dino guy is unhinged. I think I took it less personally when my girlfriend broke up with me years ago, than Dino is with Kylington testing the market.

I think the majority of fans just want the best for Kylington, whatever he decides to do. If he wants a fresh start that's cool. If he wants to go to Europe, that's fine too. If he circles back and comes to Calgary, great!

I don't think we need personal attacks here.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

This Dino guy is unhinged. I think I took it less personally when my girlfriend broke up with me years ago, than Dino is with Kylington testing the market.

I think the majority of fans just want the best for Kylington, whatever he decides to do. If he wants a fresh start that's cool. If he wants to go to Europe, that's fine too. If he circles back and comes to Calgary, great!

I don't think we need personal attacks here.

Says we don't need personal attacks after calling me "unhinged" for saying what every member of barnburner said, actually I'm not as harsh. Ironically the actual Rhett is unhinged by your stupid logic.

LOL its hard to argue with a smart person...impossible to argue with a dumb person.

He countered the Flames offer with an offer that included term, not sure why this is so hard to understand. He didn't want a fresh start he wanted term in Calgary, he literally asked for it!

I haven't said anything personal about the guy other than he got bad advice and overplayed his hand.




Oh Top5 quick somebody disagreed with me you better thank his post!

I WANT THE FLAMES TO SIGN OK TO A 1 YEAR DEAL....and that makes me an unhinged hater I guess


I mean time will tell if him and his camp made the right choice, let's see

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Gaudreau expected more offers on the market...and didn't get them. His career has been in the dumps ever since, he was the 2nd overall scorer in the league when he left...now he isn't even a top 50 player (top 100?) This is exactly the point. You really think OK is gonna get that 2.5M range with term?

Players are free to do whatever they choose but thinking you will get a better offer down the line doesn't always work out. I think the best offer OK gets in this free agency period is the one he already turned down.
He would also have a huge opportunity with the Flames to play a lot and put up numbers that would actually put him in a position to demand a nice contract next time.

I strongly agree with you on this one, he must be getting some bad advice. He could stick with the FLames for a year he would have plenty of opportunities to set himself up for a better payday.

I bet he would be an excellent player for the young offensive defenseman guys that want to understand how to play within the the system,

There is a great opportunity for him here I'm not sure what advice he is getting, but my gut tells me it's more likely he is just following his agent. If he was smart he would sign a one-year contract and you never know by the time the playoffs roll around and maybe other teams are calling on him.

I'm seeing lots of over the top negative comments from some posters, that is not really necessary,
People were saying his true colors were coming out but really they need to take a look at themselves in the mirror.. Let's just be happy he is back and healthy, show some respect and not bash the player.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I strongly agree with you on this one, he must be getting some bad advice. He could stick with the FLames for a year he would have plenty of opportunities to set himself up for a better payday.

I bet he would be an excellent player for the young offensive defenseman guys that want to understand how to play within the the system,

There is a great opportunity for him here I'm not sure what advice he is getting, but my gut tells me it's more likely he is just following his agent. If he was smart he would sign a one-year contract and you never know by the time the playoffs roll around and maybe other teams are calling on him.

I'm seeing lots of over the top negative comments from some posters, that is not really necessary,
People were saying his true colors were coming out but really they need to take a look at themselves in the mirror.. Let's just be happy he is back and healthy, show some respect and not bash the player.

I agree with all of this, not sure why I am the one getting tarred and feathered for "bashing the player" often by posters that either don't have or are ignoring the public information in this case.

I want him to sign the 1 year deal...I just think it is insane that he won't come off his demand for term considering his last two years. Sadly I think it will come back to bite him and hurt his NHL career if he doesn't realize it in time.

Come back, play 82 games with top 4 minutes, play well, profit...demand twice what you want now and nobody can say ####.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Says we don't need personal attacks after calling me "unhinged" for saying what every member of barnburner said, actually I'm not as harsh. Ironically the actual Rhett is unhinged by your stupid logic.

LOL its hard to argue with a smart person...impossible to argue with a dumb person.

He countered the Flames offer with an offer that included term, not sure why this is so hard to understand. He didn't want a fresh start he wanted term in Calgary, he literally asked for it!

I haven't said anything personal about the guy other than he got bad advice and overplayed his hand.




Oh Top5 quick somebody disagreed with me you better thank his post!

I WANT THE FLAMES TO SIGN OK TO A 1 YEAR DEAL....and that makes me an unhinged hater I guess

This is a quote from you earlier today:

"Lets be real, I know people in way worse situations than this to get sad about...if you don't consider yourself lucky."

You are telling everyone that you know people who are doing way worse mentally than what Kylington went through. You are completely dismissing that his mental health was even a problem.

I don't know his situation personally, but if anyone is going through mental health struggles, you shouldn't just dismiss it. I just think it was embarrassing to post that.

That's the only reason I said unhinged. Because you are posting with anger and not being rational in this discussion.

Just wish him well if he leaves and move on. No need to start dismissing his mental health struggles.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

This is a quote from you earlier today:

"Lets be real, I know people in way worse situations than this to get sad about...if you don't consider yourself lucky."

You are telling everyone that you know people who are doing way worse mentally than what Kylington went through. You are completely dismissing that his mental health was even a problem.

That's not what he's telling everyone.

I don't know how severe Kylington's mental health problems are, but I do know that he has resources to help him deal with them that most people don't have access to. Money (his own and the team's) will do that for you.

I've seen people die because of untreated mental illness, and I've seen people end up on the street for the same reason. Those are both worse situations than what Kylington is in. Note: I said (and Dino said) situations, not conditions. The mental-health trouble he is going through may well be worse than the ones I mentioned. But it hasn't destroyed his life, and he has access to better treatment than most people with mental health conditions.

The people I feel for most are those who urgently need help and can't get it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

This is a quote from you earlier today:

"Lets be real, I know people in way worse situations than this to get sad about...if you don't consider yourself lucky."

You are telling everyone that you know people who are doing way worse mentally than what Kylington went through. You are completely dismissing that his mental health was even a problem.

I don't know his situation personally, but if anyone is going through mental health struggles, you shouldn't just dismiss it. I just think it was embarrassing to post that.

That's the only reason I said unhinged. Because you are posting with anger and not being rational in this discussion.

Just wish him well if he leaves and move on. No need to start dismissing his mental health struggles.

Sorry 20 year old multi millionaire with mental heath struggles with all the support in the world including the best most expensive doctor in the city isn't at the top of my sad list. I'm not dismissing it just a reality check. He has a place to sleep tonight and food to eat. I know for a fact he goes to Sky Psychiatry in the Telus building downtown which costs hundreds of dollars per hour as the homeless and drug addicts wander the streets below.

Its besides the point anyway...he was offered another contract and declined. What is there to be sad about exactly? He wants term he obviously thinks he is ready to go.

Some posts here are pretty rich considering you guys wouldn't know about him or care if he sucked at hockey

You also probably want to change your username because the real Rhett has said MUCH worse than I have about the situation.

[dino7c]

Last point and then you guys can go back to bashing me

The best way to show you support mental health is probably not ganging up on another poster and calling them things like "unhinged"

I'm not good at hockey though so it doesn't matter I guess

[Macindoc]

If we want a player who has had mental health issues to sign with the Flames, wouldn't it be best to avoid bashing said player on a public Flames fan forum?

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

If we want a player who has had mental health issues to sign with the Flames, wouldn't it be best to avoid bashing said player on a public Flames fan forum?

Who bashed him?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Last point and then you guys can go back to bashing me

The best way to show you support mental health is probably not ganging up on another poster and calling them things like "unhinged"

I'm not good at hockey though so it doesn't matter I guess

You make good valid points and my comments about posters being over the top was not directed at you. The focus of discussion gave me an opportunity to address what I saw as unnecessary bashing.

Different perspectives are important for a balanced discussion. Sometimes we forget to debate the topic and not the poster. You are presenting a point of view that not everyone might agree with, but it's definitely worth noting that there are other sides to the situation and then there's stuff we don't know, so sometimes our comments can be a little bit unfounded.

We shouldn't minimize a persons mental health issues, even if they make a lot of money. We don't know how severe they were, we live in a society where comments can be really insensitive, and you could have groups of students ganging up on one person who is different, not realizing their comments could cause more harm than good. Some of the comments on here have been over the top and that's not okay, Some of us have children, maybe they decide not to go to college; We certainly don't start having strong opinions about them, but we love and support them no matter what.

I think rather than focusing on the player we should maybe focus a bit more on the agent, Kylington is likely just following his agent, and probably feels some satisfaction knowing that he can evaluate and make some independent choices.

I think he's a good player and the Flames could use him if he chooses to stay. I think you're point about him having additional resources is a reality check because we live in a society where a lot of us don't have those choices. I think regardless we should still support the player the fact that he's healthy because that's what we would do for our own kids.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Who bashed him?

There I've been plenty of comments you just have to go back and read. I think there's been some good perspectives on both sides but sometimes posters start debating the poster instead of the topic.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

There I've been plenty of comments you just have to go back and read. I think there's been some good perspectives on both sides but sometimes posters start debating the poster instead of the topic.

dino7c repeated the same thing about being fine with Calgary offering a one-year deal about 8 times. I don't think that's bashing. Didn't see anyone saying they don't want him on the team at all specifically because he had a mental health issue, which would be a pretty regrettable take.

I think most people would have been happy to have Kylington back on a one-year deal. If he wants more, then let's see if anyone offers it or if he goes to Europe. Or does something else completely.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by butterfly

dino7c repeated the same thing about being fine with Calgary offering a one-year deal about 8 times. I don't think that's bashing. Didn't see anyone saying they don't want him on the team at all specifically because he had a mental health issue, which would be a pretty regrettable take.

I think most people would have been happy to have Kylington back on a one-year deal. If he wants more, then let's see if anyone offers it or if he goes to Europe. Or does something else completely.

I think Dino7c already knows it wasn't directed at him, but I went ahead and clarified it anyways.

That doesn't mean there wasn't some bashing going on I saw some pretty strong comments, but it would help if we strive to keep the discussion civil and in perspective.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It’s a fairly universal opinion that him and his camp made a poor decision in turning down the Flames offer.

Unless I missed something, I don’t know what AAV was offered.

How can anyone say it was a poor decision without knowing that?