American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[afc wimbledon]

Sadly I think the physical demands of the campaign will take their toll on Biden and he will look increasingly frail and elderly by the end of it and Trump will destroy him in the polls

the average voter is a moron looking for simple answers, Trump will win with that

[Ped]

Never mind that Trump is spewing lies and fascist nonsense, he's also much more impaired than Biden is.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Ped

Never mind that Trump is spewing lies and fascist nonsense, he's also much more impaired than Biden is.

What we think doesn't matter, what the vast majority of overweight middle aged white americans who are scared of a changing world and their place in it, that's what counts

[rubecube]

I don't think anyone in this thread actually thinks Trump is a better candidate than Biden. We're just aware that the general public are largely mouth-breathing morons and will focus primarily on aesthetics. The Dems would be running away with this thing if they had gone with anyone else.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

What we think doesn't matter, what the vast majority of overweight middle aged white americans who are scared of a changing world and their place in it, that's what counts

Someone I greatly admire once said to me in a debate that "the average voter is Homer Simpson".

That's always stuck with me.

[powderjunkie]

I don't buy that it's too late to make a change. How well known was Barack Obama for the average voter on July 5, 2008? Certainly he had lots of momentum through the primaries, but that's for people more plugged in than the average.

Then again we probably have to go back to 1992 for the other relatively 'unknown' candidate to have won, but I'd argue that only Kerry, Obama, McCain, and Romney are the only candidates that entered the race with little familiarity. Kerry and Romney lost to incumbents, and one of the other two had to win their race.

[flylock shox]

Watched the Stephanopoulos interview with Biden tonight, which I think does absolutely nothing to dissuade concerns about Biden's decline and overall capabilities. Rather, it made very clear that he is simply past it. He is not capable of rehabilitating the impression formed at the debate.



Between Biden's fading and the Supreme Court's recent decision on presidential immunity, the path looks clear for Trump to walk back into the Oval Office and start the process of dismantling America's democratic institutions/conventions.



Someone else needs to stand in his way now, and Americans need to get behind that person, whoever they are. They are running out of time to avert a complete disaster.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Biden at peace if he loses to Trump: "As long as I gave it my all"

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/06/bid...election-peace

Horrible messaging from the guy who also said that US democracy is at stake, he seems like he's already resigned to losing. He's old, he's tired, and now it seems like he really doesn't care either way because he'll be dead soon. Fantastic job by the Democrats to rally around THAT as your candidate

[Senator Clay Davis]

The Dems have to realize that the media is going to be relentless with Biden until the election is over, or until he is out. Every slip up, every half gaffe, every time he looks like he should be in bed, they will be on it. And yeah, I know, they will give Trump a pass for all the same things, but fair or not that is the way it's going to be. If the Dems had the ruthlessness of the Repubs they would be going to Biden and threatening to 25th him if he doesn't withdraw. But they're Charmin soft and would rather go out on their "we did the right thing/respected decorum/whatever else helps them sleep at night" swords.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Biden at peace if he loses to Trump: "As long as I gave it my all"

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/06/bid...election-peace

Horrible messaging from the guy who also said that US democracy is at stake, he seems like he's already resigned to losing. He's old, he's tired, and now it seems like he really doesn't care either way because he'll be dead soon. Fantastic job by the Democrats to rally around THAT as your candidate

Just gross.
We aren't just talking about the White House anymore, how badly does Biden drag down the ticket?
He's going to lose and the Dems will be lucky to hold a level of Government under him at this rate. They need to replace Biden now, even if you think he is competent enough today there is not way he's lucid in 4yrs. I'm no fan of Harris but I'd vote for her in a heartbeat (I can't vote).

[activeStick]

The Dems aren't replacing him. The messaging from the debate to now, multiple times, is that Biden will not step down, the party supports him staying in the race fully (with a few exceptions), and according to MSNBC and Morning Joe, "this version of Biden, intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever".

Good luck with that, guys!

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Biden at peace if he loses to Trump: "As long as I gave it my all"

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/06/bid...election-peace

Horrible messaging from the guy who also said that US democracy is at stake, he seems like he's already resigned to losing. He's old, he's tired, and now it seems like he really doesn't care either way because he'll be dead soon. Fantastic job by the Democrats to rally around THAT as your candidate

Holy ####…. STOP TALKING!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by activeStick

The Dems aren't replacing him. The messaging from the debate to now, multiple times, is that Biden will not step down, the party supports him staying in the race fully (with a few exceptions), and according to MSNBC and Morning Joe, "this version of Biden, intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever".

Good luck with that, guys!

The messaging is going to be consistent until it isn't. If Biden is sticking around, you can't have all sorts of softness being expressed. This is standard political communications. See Trudeau, too.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Disagree. Biden is their best chance and our best chance at saving democracy in the U.S.

lol.

Biden has no clue what is going on. Someone else is managing him. Which is literally you know not, democracy?

[marsplasticeraser]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The messaging is going to be consistent until it isn't. If Biden is sticking around, you can't have all sorts of softness being expressed. This is standard political communications. See Trudeau, too.

Biden’s rhetoric doesn’t really make sense to me, and I can’t believe his inner circle actually thinks he can win, or that he should spend the next five months working 18 hr days trying to. It will kill him.

Part of me wonders if this is a setup for a “health issue” that allows Biden to leave the office without ‘giving up’. That would put Kamala in charge, but unsure if she’s default pick or they have an open convention.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I don't think anyone in this thread actually thinks Trump is a better candidate than Biden. We're just aware that the general public are largely mouth-breathing morons and will focus primarily on aesthetics. The Dems would be running away with this thing if they had gone with anyone else.

Exactly like I said months ago, but then the usual suspects said the same garbage that the media was spouting for years.

"Biden is fine."

Turns out he wasn't fine, and now he's literally handing Trump the election because he has ZERO clue what is going on.

Also hilarious reading the 'omg Trump = authoritative state' stuff. I mean Biden isn't running the US. Its obvious. So who is? Gee, it wouldn't be unelected morons would it? Funny how that works.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Biden at peace if he loses to Trump: "As long as I gave it my all"

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/06/bid...election-peace

Horrible messaging from the guy who also said that US democracy is at stake, he seems like he's already resigned to losing. He's old, he's tired, and now it seems like he really doesn't care either way because he'll be dead soon. Fantastic job by the Democrats to rally around THAT as your candidate

I know people a similar age & in similar condition. The are also 'past it' and are happy with retirement and spending time with the grandkids. The fact that people actually believed that Biden is okay, mostly because that is what the media & the Biden handlers were saying for months was a total grift.

This is the US. There is only one reason Biden would be pushed into keep running. Someone is handling him and power and control are to be had.

[Hemi-Cuda]

If Biden had simply decided to not run again, saying he wanted to spend more time with his family, he'd have a fantastic legacy. VP, President, beat Trump and restored normalcy to the White House. Now though because of hubris or whatever it is that causes these old fossils to go until they drop (lookin at you RBG), he'll be remembered as the dementia president that threw away a 2nd election and let Trump back in. Why is it so hard to just walk away and enjoy some sort of retirement in your advanced age?

[Senator Clay Davis]

I mean you answered your own question. I can't imagine ego, for either currently powerful or once powerful people, gets more realistic with age. Likely it's the opposite. And the "embarrassment" of withdrawing now would be a massive ego hit. So better to go down with the ship, I guess.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The messaging is going to be consistent until it isn't. If Biden is sticking around, you can't have all sorts of softness being expressed. This is standard political communications. See Trudeau, too.

Any communications, really. I remember when Canada 3000 went out of business and stranded a bunch of travellers here there and everywhere. Everyone was freaking out that the government didn't warn travellers the company was on the brink. Well, if they did that it would pushed them over guaranteed.

What about when Future Shop just closed their doors one day never to reopen? They communicated nothing ahead of time. Because you can't.

It really is communications 101, so I don't know why people are flapping around over this. Pretend all is well until it isn't. There isn't a better strategy lol.