Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Azure]

So in other words Trudeau is a moron.

Which is completely shocking to everyone I'm sure. Especially team Liberals who took 9 years to realize that. Stupid is as stupid does.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Azure

So in other words Trudeau is a moron.

Which is completely shocking to everyone I'm sure. Especially team Liberals who took 9 years to realize that. Stupid is as stupid does.

It will always seem to amaze me how many people fell for this laughing stock of a person in Canada. It's shocking to me as how apparent it was. People literally believing and still believing a lot of his nonsense.

I am not even saying for people to vote for my preferred side, I am just shocked that out of everybody in the last 10 years, people choose him.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by curves2000

It will always seem to amaze me how many people fell for this laughing stock of a person in Canada. It's shocking to me as how apparent it was. People literally believing and still believing a lot of his nonsense.

I am not even saying for people to vote for my preferred side, I am just shocked that out of everybody in the last 10 years, people choose him.

I’m shocked the Conservative Party couldn’t put together a platform or leader attractive enough to win the election.

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I’m shocked the Conservative Party couldn’t put together a platform or leader attractive enough to win the election.

Exactly, Sheer and O'Toole is the reason he won the last 2 elections- PP is somehow even worse then them, but his cosey up to the truckers and MAGA types seems to be working for him. Canada is fine despite what they say, but we are heading for rough times ahead if PP wins the next election

[PepsiFree]

I still maintain that the O’Toole from the conservative leadership race could have won easily. But they bungled that campaign hard and turned him into a pandering cringe fest. Basically took any gravitas he had out at the knees. O’Toole was more electable coming in and going out than he was as the leader. It’s like there’s a disease in that party or something.

Scheer is and always was an expired bag of milk. Never had a shot. Total doofus from day one and ever since.

[timun]

O'Toole was pulling the party closer to centre, closer to the PCs of old, in the hopes of making them more electable. The party base ate him alive for doing so.

[timun]

Originally Posted by belsarius

I really don't see Trudeau as the big bad that most conservatives do, most of his gaffes and scandals have seemed like lack of critical thinking as opposed to maliciousness. And the last few years just seems like Ralph Wiggum is in charge.

The comparison to Ralph Wiggum is so spot on.

Much like I've written before about the ABNDP vs. UCP, I also think the federal Liberals are incompetent boobs whereas the CPC are actively malicious and contemptuous of anyone who isn't one of their cronies.

[TheIronMaiden]

I've been saying it for years.

If the CPC publicly Ostracized everyone in the party who had anything remotely to do with Anti Abortion or Anti LGBTQ they would win with a slam dunk.

Problem is, they won't because at the end of the day they ( like most Conservative parties) are the home of the Evangelicals and they are so afraid of losing those votes that they don't see the bigger picture.

The vast Majority of Canadians are socially liberal. and The vast majority of Canadians who follow politics also follow American Politics and they want nothing to do with Evangelical Driven Agendas against fertility rights and Gender Minority protections.

Hand waiving and saying "oh we don't care" will never work. The CPC needs a witch hunt or they will only ever be a transitional government at best.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by timun

O'Toole was pulling the party closer to centre, closer to the PCs of old, in the hopes of making them more electable. The party base ate him alive for doing so.

Part of me wonders if his advisors and campaign team purposely screwed him. If I remember correctly, some people were a bit pissed he won, and it wouldn’t surprise me if some strings were pulled to ensure he was one and done.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by aaronck

Exactly, Sheer and O'Toole is the reason he won the last 2 elections- PP is somehow even worse then them, but his cosey up to the truckers and MAGA types seems to be working for him. Canada is fine despite what they say, but we are heading for rough times ahead if PP wins the next election

I don't know if Canada is "fine" so to speak, the reason why a lot of people are extremely upset is because of economic issues, pressures and a falling of living standards across the board.

I don't know if PP will bring massive change in those departments but I do know that the Liberals have not had a solid economic strategy and track record. There have been plenty of decisions that have had very negative consequences for the country. The deficit, budget decisions, taxation, energy policy or lack their of and a lot more.

There has been 10 years of talk about "investing in the middle class and working Canadians" but those affects are being felt really hard for a lot of people. We aren't used to seeing such a dramatic drop in quality of life standards and living conditions for Canadians and your seeing it in vote rich regions for the Liberals.

Even for retiree's and immigrants who are in Canada, a shocking amount of them are moving abroad or going back home because of affordability issues and living standards. How many low wage, minimum wage workers need to live in a 1 bedroom apartment in Toronto for this to be really worth it? For some it's worth it but for others, they have much better options.

Even with things like the carbon tax or the capital gains tax. Look at your family and friends and tell them straight up that they and the family are rich, need to pay more capital gains taxes and that they are doing substantially better in carbon payments then paying out. It's shocking how many people don't appreciate the tone cause it's not rooted in reality.

[Ozy_Flame]

There's a whole lot of fireworks about the outgoing guy, and very little about why we should get excited about the next incoming guy.

But you can't blame regular people. The other side has lost the last two elections because .... There was nothing to get excited about.

A challenge - let's hear from folks in this thread how we should get excited for what's coming. I want to be razzled and dazzled.

Extra points for not using the words Justin, Trudeau, or Liberals.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

There's a whole lot of fireworks about the outgoing guy, and very little about why we should get excited about the next incoming guy.

But you can't blame regular people. The other side has lost the last two elections because .... There was nothing to get excited about.

A challenge - let's hear from folks in this thread how we should get excited for what's coming. I want to be razzled and dazzled.

Extra points for not using the words Justin, Trudeau, or Liberals.

The next guy/gal could be someone other than PP and that could change the game a bit. Mark Carney, former Goldman Sachs banking star, Finance Canada executive, Bank of Canada/England Governor and more could potentially be in play.

He is effective, articulate, has the economic bravado that has been really lacking with the current team and also is known for being an excellent manager, another trait that has been lacking from the top.

He might be a more meat and potatoes PM on areas of significant concern in 2024. He may leave some of the fluff out of the policies of past that may not play as well to smaller minority groups but are appreciated and understood by larger groups of Canadians old AND NEW to Canada.

[Ozy_Flame]

Yasss, Queen!

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The vast Majority of Canadians are socially liberal. and The vast majority of Canadians who follow politics also follow American Politics and they want nothing to do with Evangelical Driven Agendas against fertility rights and Gender Minority protections.

Canadians maybe, but not Conservative voters. In a recent poll, 55% of Conservative supporters said they would vote for Trump. Whereas 10 years ago, even among Conservative supporters, Republican Presidential candidates were only polling around 30-35%.

So it's not surprising that the Conservatives are playing to their base. Apparently US-style MAGA politics appeals to the majority of Conservative supporters.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Part of me wonders if his advisors and campaign team purposely screwed him. If I remember correctly, some people were a bit pissed he won, and it wouldn’t surprise me if some strings were pulled to ensure he was one and done.

It was such a drastic turn, too. Almost overnight his branding switched from a sensible, centrist solution to Trudeau, to cliched new-age conservative hand-waving.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I've been saying it for years.

If the CPC publicly Ostracized everyone in the party who had anything remotely to do with Anti Abortion or Anti LGBTQ they would win with a slam dunk.

Problem is, they won't because at the end of the day they ( like most Conservative parties) are the home of the Evangelicals and they are so afraid of losing those votes that they don't see the bigger picture.

The vast Majority of Canadians are socially liberal. and The vast majority of Canadians who follow politics also follow American Politics and they want nothing to do with Evangelical Driven Agendas against fertility rights and Gender Minority protections.

Hand waiving and saying "oh we don't care" will never work. The CPC needs a witch hunt or they will only ever be a transitional government at best.

Judging by the polls, economic issues matter more to Canadians than social issues. Go back in these threads even a year or two and you can see posters claiming the CPC have no future because the only people who vote for them are old. And yet here we are with Conservatives leading in all age groups, with their lead among 30-44 year olds wider than their lead among voters 60+.

Canadians parties didn’t have ‘witch hunts’ around abortion until recently. Ten year ago, anti-abortion MPs were allowed to sit in the Liberal caucus. Canadians had ready access to reproductive services and that access was not threatened by a few members in parliament. So what exactly is the problem to be solved by witch hunts, besides indulging in American-style culture warring and purity policing?

80 per cent of Canadians support access to abortion. 11 per cent are opposed. Even among Conservative supporters, fewer than a quarter wants abortion access restricted. This isn’t the U.S. - there’s no chance of legislation restricting abortion passing. Raising it as a political issue in this country is nothing but cynical wedge politics.

[CaptainCrunch]

The bottom line for me is that North America is in real trouble in terms of future leadership.



Look at the choices that are there. Biden and Trump, is just in escapable awfulness.


Trudeau, Singh and PP the same thing.



The Liberals are done, too many scandals, too much entitlement, too many program announcements that just turn out to be bad.


But do we really expect PP to come in and cut taxes, and all that jazz? Probably not, he's going to go in on the first day, and look at the books, and realize that things in the finance file are so bad, that he can't. That so much money has gone out the door stupidly and in some cases with the hint of corruption, that its going to take years to fix the system.


Meanwhile Singh has screwed himself badly, he took his arrangement with the Liberals way to far and has cost himself serious credibility.


I don't know why we can't develop politician leaders anymore, maybe someone can answer that for me. But it now seems that our Political elite class, is more self interested, then they are in providing leadership.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Judging by the polls, economic issues matter more to Canadians than social issues. Go back in these threads even a year or two and you can see posters claiming the CPC have no future because the only people who vote for them are old. And yet here we are with Conservatives leading in all age groups, with their lead among 30-44 year olds wider than their lead among voters 60+.

Canadians parties didn’t have ‘witch hunts’ around abortion until recently. Ten year ago, anti-abortion MPs were allowed to sit in the Liberal caucus. Canadians had ready access to reproductive services and that access was not threatened by a few members in parliament. So what exactly is the problem to be solved by witch hunts, besides indulging in American-style culture warring and purity policing?

80 per cent of Canadians support access to abortion. 11 per cent are opposed. Even among Conservative supporters, fewer than a quarter wants abortion access restricted. This isn’t the U.S. - there’s no chance of legislation restricting abortion passing. Raising it as a political issue in this country is nothing but cynical wedge politics.

This is the boogey man argument in a nut shell. Every political party knows that reproductive rights are the third rail and if you touch it you lose the next election.



Same with going backwards on LGBTQ rights, the quickest way to be a one party government is to attack those social rights, and we know it would be impossible to get the legislation through without the courts striking it down.


My biggest argument is that the Liberals have had the numbers and probably the will of the nation enough to enshrine abortion rights permanently, but refuse to do it.


Its too juicy of a wedge item not to keep it under pretend threat.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Problem is, they won't because at the end of the day they ( like most Conservative parties) are the home of the Evangelicals and they are so afraid of losing those votes that they don't see the bigger picture.

Well at least we don't have that problem again....oh ####, it's actually worse.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10604598/...al-christians/

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Judging by the polls, economic issues matter more to Canadians than social issues. Go back in these threads even a year or two and you can see posters claiming the CPC have no future because the only people who vote for them are old. And yet here we are with Conservatives leading in all age groups, with their lead among 30-44 year olds wider than their lead among voters 60+.

You really showed those, what?…2 posters?