07-05-2024, 12:51 PM
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#661
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I just don’t see why it has to be an all or nothing situation. Like the Flames went to the end zone with him to support him, therefore Kylington is being unreasonable.
I feel that the Flames did go above and beyond to allow him to deal with things the way he wanted without a regimented program with benchmarks and time lines. But I also think Kylington has the right to now do what he thinks is best for him with judgement. The Flames did what they did because they are a decent organization. Not for any reward.
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07-05-2024, 12:52 PM
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#662
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Makarov
I don't know why I waste my time...
You simply have zero idea whether or not he voluntarily chose to "take the time off". Typing "voluntarily" in all caps does not change that fact (indeed, it only draws more attention to it).
Granted, I don't know anything for certain either. But the statements of both Kylington and the Flames suggests that it was involuntary. And that is certainly the more plausible explanation for a person who has dedicated their entire life to reaching the NHL to, months after finally achieving that life-long goal, risks it all by leaving his team for a year-and-a-half.
But whatever man. You do you. I am VOLUNTARILY deciding not to waste any more time arguing with you. I'm taking a Housley4Prez sabbatical!
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His words were harsh but anyone who thinks his commitment isnt a factor here isnt living in the real world.
If you had 2 exact players and one played 164 games the last 2 years and one played 33 games guess who is getting the better offers.
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07-05-2024, 12:55 PM
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#663
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Franchise Player
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And yeah social media posts of partying on a boat with chicks didnt go over well when you are getting paid millions on leave...it wouldnt in any industry.
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07-05-2024, 12:56 PM
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#664
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: St. Albert
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Originally Posted by Housley4Prez
He signed a 2-year deal on August 2, 2022, then 50 days later (after plastering his Instagram with photos of him yachting in speedos with friends in the Mediterranean all summer) informs the team he isn't showing up for camp on September 23, 2022.
He VOLUNTARILY chose to take the time off. He wasn't forced to deal with the betrayal of a friendship. So yes, it was a mental health sabbatical. He didn't have cancer.
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Right, because Instagram is the perfect window into someone's life and what they're actually dealing with and not at all a carefully curated version of their life.  You have no idea what was happening or what occurred. Takes like these are grossly ignorant.
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07-05-2024, 12:58 PM
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#665
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Plz , close this thread. It's become unhinged.
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07-05-2024, 01:00 PM
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#666
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
And yeah social media posts of partying on a boat with chicks didnt go over well when you are getting paid millions on leave...it wouldnt in any industry.
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Yes, you're supposed to sit in a dark room all day staring at the wall when you're on a medical leave.
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07-05-2024, 01:00 PM
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#667
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First Line Centre
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Paging This Post is Terrible. Report to aisle 3.
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07-05-2024, 01:01 PM
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#668
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Franchise Player
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Either way. He’s not on the team anymore. So none of this really matters. Players come and go for all sorts of reasons. That’s how it works.
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07-05-2024, 01:01 PM
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#669
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary, AB
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Yeah. Can't be having fun with friends (which is very good for your mental health) when you are trying to focus on your mental health.
The grip some of you have on reality is loose at best.
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07-05-2024, 01:02 PM
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#670
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby
Yes, you're supposed to sit in a dark room all day staring at the wall when you're on a medical leave.
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I said it didnt go over well...if you guys think CP is harsh please avoid other social media
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07-05-2024, 01:05 PM
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#671
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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You can be sensitive to the mental health issues that Kylington overcame...and still think he handled this poorly.
These don't have to be mutually exclusive.
In the end turning down a 1 year contract at an agreed upon AAV, to push for a 2 year contract at that same AAV (reportedly), from the team that you publicly said really supported you through your struggles and helped you get to this point is not a good look.
NHL is a small fraternity too, so I really he doubt he's going to get a bigger offer from another team, poor advice from his advisors IMO.
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Originally Posted by dino7c
And yeah social media posts of partying on a boat with chicks didnt go over well when you are getting paid millions on leave...it wouldnt in any industry.
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Those posts were from before he was on leave...so don't think it's really fair to bring those social media posts into the equation.
All I've heard on the subject is rumor and hearsay...but based on what I heard it wasn't something that he would have known at the time he signed the deal in 2022 or even that summer that would potentially impact him, but if what I heard was true then an event occured that really was quite harsh that triggered the issues closer to the start of training camp.
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07-05-2024, 01:07 PM
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#672
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
You can be sensitive to the mental health issues that Kylington overcame...and still think he handled this poorly.
These don't have to be mutually exclusive.
In the end turning down a 1 year contract at an agreed upon AAV, to push for a 2 year contract at that same AAV (reportedly), from the team that you publicly said really supported you through your struggles and helped you get to this point is not a good look.
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This sums it up best
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07-05-2024, 01:10 PM
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#673
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
You can be sensitive to the mental health issues that Kylington overcame...and still think he handled this poorly.
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Sure, one can be, but some posters in here clearly aren't being "sensitive" (whatever that was intended to mean) to Kylington's mental health problems, so...
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07-05-2024, 01:15 PM
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#674
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Makarov
Sure, one can be, but some posters in here clearly aren't being "sensitive" (whatever that was intended to mean) to Kylington's mental health problems, so...
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Some are being overly sensitive
mental health issues arent a free pass with zero consequences. Employers and potential employers watch things like social media these days. Fair or not posting party images while getting paid on leave is a red flag in my industry I can assure you.
This is the NHL, teams are concerned about commitment. His best bet is to play 82 games and kick ass...then you can make demands.
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07-05-2024, 01:16 PM
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#675
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Franchise Player
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Negotiations have nothing to do with his issues.
Here’s a contract, sign it.
No.
Okay bye.
That’s how pro sports works.
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07-05-2024, 01:18 PM
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#676
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Goriders
Negotiations have nothing to do with his issues.
Here’s a contract, sign it.
No.
Okay bye.
That’s how pro sports works.
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Well this is flat out wrong...he cant get term because he missed most of the last 2 years
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07-05-2024, 01:18 PM
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#677
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Calgary, Canada
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Good old social media posts!!! Absolutely nothing wrong with dealing with mental health and taking time off to blow off steam. Do exactly what you need to do to get better.
Posting that on Instagram is beyond stupid and only fellow morons would disagree with that stance. Less is more sometimes and not every single person needs to know every aspect of peoples lives, keep it tight cause you never know when it will come back to burn you like it always does.
People freezing their balls off in Calgary holding down the fort at work and others living large and in charge in the French Rivera, Greek islands and Miami. Jealousy is a human thing and it applies to everybody from you, me, Bob from accounting and professional athletes.
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07-05-2024, 01:20 PM
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#678
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First Line Centre
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All you have to do is read this thread if you wonder why more people don't open up about mental health issues.
It's being used as ammunition against Kylington here (from a few posters). Why are we even assuming anything. He could want a fresh start. Or, he may be negotiating with another team, which he has every right to do.
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07-05-2024, 01:31 PM
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#679
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Franchise Player
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It’s got nothing to do with that. He’s a higher risk do to past history so he’s not going to get a better contract.
Exactly how players that have performed and show progression do.
That’s how it works. Whether it’s knee injuries, mental health or just straight up on ice performance.
Risk is going to be part of the process.
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07-05-2024, 01:33 PM
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#680
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Goriders
It’s got nothing to do with that. He’s a higher risk do to past history so he’s not going to get a better contract.
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Yup. He's in the same boat as a player who's had serious physical injuries that are liable to recur. Such players typically get one-year ‘show me’ contracts unless they are established stars.
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