I imagine all of the newer communities only having catholic schools plays a big part in that. If you move to Sherwood Park for example the assigned CBE school is way down in Ranchlands, vs the catholic school being a 5-10 minute walk for everyone in the community. Even as a strict atheist I'd be tempted to pretend that jesus was real to save that kind of school commute
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I imagine all of the newer communities only having catholic schools plays a big part in that. If you move to Sherwood Park for example the assigned CBE school is way down in Ranchlands, vs the catholic school being a 5-10 minute walk for everyone in the community. Even as a strict atheist I'd be tempted to pretend that jesus was real to save that kind of school commute
That is a very long commute indeed.
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I think the onus should be on Catholic Schools to justify why they should have a right to exist and use our tax dollars, vs any other argument. And I've never heard a justification for their existence that doesn't place their club in some special position relative to all other clubs.
I think the onus should be on Catholic Schools to justify why they should have a right to exist and use our tax dollars, vs any other argument. And I've never heard a justification for their existence that doesn't place their club in some special position relative to all other clubs.
By all means they can exist and operate, but they shouldn't be funded by tax dollars.
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How is a school with 35 per cent European, 25 per cent Filipino, 15 per cent Vietnamese, 15 per cent Nigerian, and 10 per cent Hispanic population homogenous?
Because they're all Catholic. We're talking about religion, and Catholic schools are religiously homogenous.
There have been schools in Calgary, Catholic or not, with students of various colours in them for many many decades.
If there was all white schools we could have that debate, but luckily that's not a thing here - because segregating kids is bad unless it's on religious dimensions I guess.
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I think the onus should be on Catholic Schools to justify why they should have a right to exist and use our tax dollars, vs any other argument. And I've never heard a justification for their existence that doesn't place their club in some special position relative to all other clubs.
They already exist, so they don’t need to justify anything. If you want to change that, it requires legislation. It was all explained in the CBC article.
Changing a constitution isn’t as easy as getting people to sign an online petition. Presumably, nobody wants to spend the political capital, legal wrangling, effort, and money to go through the process, for what (in most peoples’ minds) would be a pretty small payoff.
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I think the onus should be on Catholic Schools to justify why they should have a right to exist and use our tax dollars, vs any other argument. And I've never heard a justification for their existence that doesn't place their club in some special position relative to all other clubs.
In 6 of 13 provinces and territories, other religious groups can form their own separate school systems and have their tax money directed towards it. The Catholic school system is the largest separate school system in Canada, but not the only one. There are Protestant schools, Jewish schools, Indigenous schools, and Muslim schools as well.... probably others.
As for why, because it was enshrined in the British North America Act in 1867. Catholic schools predated confederation by 250 years. It would have been hard to push confederation on people if your goal was to remove their rights. Minority rights were written into the BNA, which is a good thing. Rights for Catholics were specifically mentioned because at that time, they were regularly targeted for discrimination in the English speaking world. Without putting that into the BNA, several parts of what is now Canada, would never have agreed to join.
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Ok, but it isn't 1867 anymore and I assume we know the difference between fantasy and reality and maybe only teaching one of those with public money should be important. I know it isn't going to change, because the people in power were also raised to believe in myths, but I can still express my extreme distaste for it.
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Because they're all Catholic. We're talking about religion, and Catholic schools are religiously homogenous.
There have been schools in Calgary, Catholic or not, with students of various colours in them for many many decades.
If there was all white schools we could have that debate, but luckily that's not a thing here - because segregating kids is bad unless it's on religious dimensions I guess.
The underlying assumption that Catholic schools only have Catholic students is not factual. In areas constrained by capacity there is preferential treatments for baptized kids or kids with a baptized parent. In a non capacity constrained school anyone can attend. So any kid in Calgary can go to a Catholic school if they want. There is also no requirement to participate in religious activity thought there is the requirement to learn the teachings of Catholicism through religion class.
The underlying assumption that Catholic schools only have Catholic students is not factual. In areas constrained by capacity there is preferential treatments for baptized kids or kids with a baptized parent. In a non capacity constrained school anyone can attend. So any kid in Calgary can go to a Catholic school if they want. There is also no requirement to participate in religious activity thought there is the requirement to learn the teachings of Catholicism through religion class.
There is no segregation here
It's not reasonable for a non-Catholic kid to pick the school closest to them and then go through the awkwardness of being the one to opt out of religion classes and school religious ceremonies.
Sure, it could be worse - but this all seems like mental gymnastics to justify the preservation of an archaic structure.
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It's not reasonable for a non-Catholic kid to pick the school closest to them and then go through the awkwardness of being the one to opt out of religion classes and school religious ceremonies.
Sure, it could be worse - but this all seems like mental gymnastics to justify the preservation of an archaic structure.
I mean my kids did it. They don’t opt out of ceremonies or classes. Learning about people’s religion is not a big deal. It has never been an issue. But my parents were Catholic so we aren’t as detached.
I’d say 10% are no religion, 1-2% Muslim. It’s never been a big deal. As my kids say when they ask you about God you just make up the crap they want to hear. That’s a surprisingly useful life skill.
They have also become militantly pro-choice because they enjoy arguing including when being asked if they were okay with third trimester abortions that they were okay with fourth trimester abortions. I have quite enjoyed there challenging of authority.
I think public schools not having any religious content until high school is likely a disservice to education given we live in a very religious world.
Religion should be explored in social studies, as a science. Hell, I'm all for that. Have students examine various belief systems, and debate the merits of and drawbacks. Start gentle, with Santa, and maybe move on to the moral hazards of forcing children to say prayers every day, given their undeveloped brains and malleability. By grade 12 they can critically examine all the ways religion is molding countries around the wold, and how individuals use it to erode democracies.
And yes, this means clearly laying out the difference between something that can be proven, and accepting something as truth with faith, and what the word faith actually means. So teach religions, but teach them from the perspective of a scientist analyzing them, because what is the point of school if people can't learn to think critically?
My kids went (and still go) to Catholic school because they’d have to bus 40 minutes away for a public school. We foolishly thought they were going to build a public school right beside the Catholic one when we bought the house. Neither believe in God, I’ve been an atheist forever (I also went to Catholic high school for the same reason).
Both have many gay friends, they’re in the theatre programs. They’ve got a pretty amazing support system as well. I like the principal at Notre Dame, he’s a good guy. My son only ever mentioned one whack job overly religious teacher. I can think of maybe one person they’re friends with that is a devout Catholic. Most go to the school because it’s the closest one. There is now a public alternative for high school, but, of course, it’s full and not accepting more students.
They can't get insurance because of all the abuse they have inflicted on the vulnerable brain washed masses, AND don't feel it is safe to continue operating without insurance...but why should it be a concern if they aren't still abusing childr...oh...
There really should be a law that any child attending any sort of church service needs to be accompanied by their guardian. And at this point if you allow your child to attend any church functions unsupervised then you should be charged with neglect
There really should be a law that any child attending any sort of church service needs to be accompanied by their guardian. And at this point if you allow your child to attend any church functions unsupervised then you should be charged with neglect
Pfft...raising wussies! Send 'em to Church alone with nothing but a Bible and a Pocket Knife and see if they make it back!
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