Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[rubecube]

Lol. I make a post about PP doing neofascist dog-whistling/propaganda and get zero replies from CPC supporters.

Trudeau missing the Stampede breakfast? Three pages of discussion.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Lol. I make a post about PP doing neofascist dog-whistling/propaganda and get zero replies from CPC supporters.

Trudeau missing the Stampede breakfast? Three pages of discussion.

You posted something that was entirely within PPs character, has no relevance to any current events, and made essentially no comment on it. How would you expect any engagement on a post like that. We probably have 100 pages of discussion on the topic. Let me rehash it for you the debate you apparently missed out on

PPs a facist
Yeah he has faciest tendencies but he might change and Trudeau is worse and I’m afraid of NDP economic policies.
All of our options really suck.

What new discussion did you expect to trigger?

Trudeau coming to stampede at least as some interesting differences of opinion on whether PM visits should be cold political calculations or not and has typical right and left posters agreeing it is or isn’t a reasonable decision. That invites discussion.

[PepsiFree]

What’s the probability that people complaining about Trudeau not coming to the Stampede have also complained about Trudeau coming to the Stampede in the past?

[you&me]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What’s the probability that people complaining about Trudeau not coming to the Stampede have also complained about Trudeau coming to the Stampede in the past?

It's a circle.

No, it's a venn diagram.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GGG

PPs a facist
Yeah he has faciest tendencies but he might change and Trudeau is worse and I’m afraid of NDP economic policies.
All of our options really suck.

What new discussion did you expect to trigger?

Well we keep getting CPC supporters saying that calling PP a fascist and likening him to the verbiage spewed by Trump and his ilk South of the border is just a scare tactic. Here we have an actual example of him doing just those things and I'm curious if those same posters are willing to admit that maybe they aren't just scare tactics.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Well we keep getting CPC supporters saying that calling PP a fascist and likening him to the verbiage spewed by Trump and his ilk South of the border is just a scare tactic. Here we have an actual example of him doing just those things and I'm curious if those same posters are willing to admit that maybe they aren't just scare tactics.

Like when they said the same things about Smith and the UCP and then Smith and the UCP proceeded with all the things that were apparently scare tactics and the people who called them scare tactics ROSE UP, SPOKE OUT, and STOOD IN DEFIANCE OF THE GOVERNMENT DOING ALL THE THINGS THEY SAID THEY WOULD NEVER DO!

I might have made the last part up. Not sure.

[chemgear]

I don't think pancakes want him back here either. I'm surprised he didn't put on protective goggles and oven mitts.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1677786542251687937

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Lol. I make a post about PP doing neofascist dog-whistling/propaganda and get zero replies from CPC supporters.

Trudeau missing the Stampede breakfast? Three pages of discussion.

Ironic that you decide to point this out after you realized no one would spar with you on your deflection bait? Guess we know your intentions?

If you must know, I literally had a post replying to CC about "But how can we make it about PP" by one of the usual suspects to deflect another Liberal scandal in draft.

And before I posted it, you literally did exactly what I expected

I also had started to post to reply a yours that Poilievre has done this on several occasions in the past, using Margaret Thatcher's definition, and I don't get his tactic of doing such obvious troll baiting when he doesn't need to do it when leading the polls by so much. It may turn off swing voters and not move the voting needle.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1412801412191379458

Above is the tweet I was going to show, affirming it's not new with him, and that I don't get his tactic. I decided against posting because agreeing that Poilievre is being a doofus is boring.

I instead decided to focus on CC's post which seemed a more interesting discussion, rather than replying to one of the most obvious partisan posters here who is only looking to do "LOOK at PP, he's so bad". It would surely also cause the resident forum hermit to show up so he can post yet another meme or TyPE IN cAPS TO ShOW HOW MUCH VAlUE BRINGS TO DISCUSION to complete the deflection. Oh he's already here and trying, how cute.

Other posters likely didn't see a point as GGG pointed out, there really is not much to discuss about PP being a doofus. Yet look how upset you are that people are discussing Trudeau skipping on the stampede instead of "WHAT ABOUT PP"?

Speaking of irony, since it was posted before your deflection attempt, and got zero replies from Liberal / NDP supporters: what are your thoughts about Saijan?

[iggy_oi]

Let’s not derail the thread Firebot, what are your thoughts on pancakes?

(And yes I’m intentionally setting you up to say I’m deflecting, partisan and having a meltdown too, etc…. It’s just entertaining at this point )

[CliffFletcher]

Sneering at other posters for not engaging with your posts is pretty lame. Nobody is entitled to responses to anything they post here.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Ironic that you decide to point this out after you realized no one would spar with you on your deflection bait? Guess we know your intentions?

The thesis of your post was essentially "Anything the Liberals do is automatically supported by the NDP because of the supply and confidence agreement," which is barely a high-school level of political analysis. That said, it was not a good look for Singh to come out against the binding arbitration.

I also had started to post to reply a yours that Poilievre has done this on several occasions in the past, using Margaret Thatcher's definition, and I don't get his tactic of doing such obvious troll baiting when he doesn't need to do it when leading the polls by so much. It may turn off swing voters and not move the voting needle.

Classifying it as troll-baiting diminishes what it actually is, which is fascist dog-whistling. Do you think PP is a fascist, or is he just playing one on TV?

Yet look how upset you are that people are discussing Trudeau skipping on the stampede instead of "WHAT ABOUT PP"?

I couldn't give a flying #### whether any of the leaders show up to these useless photo ops. I tend to think courting fascists is a much more pressing issue.

Speaking of irony, since it was posted before your deflection attempt, and got zero replies from Liberal / NDP supporters: what are your thoughts about Saijan?

He's an idiot and should have been replaced years ago.

It's not a deflection. I've been very consistently critical of the Liberal party for the better part of a decade. My argument has consistently been that if your solution to your issues with the Liberals is to install a fascist or someone who courts fascists, you have very little moral high ground in this debate.

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm interested in the inner sanctum of the Liberal Party right at this moment. I wonder what the conversations are like, how many Liberals this summer are mulling over running in a next election, with Trudeau avoiding an all hands on deck meeting with Caucus, what its like in the back rooms.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm interested in the inner sanctum of the Liberal Party right at this moment. I wonder what the conversations are like, how many Liberals this summer are mulling over running in a next election, with Trudeau avoiding an all hands on deck meeting with Caucus, what its like in the back rooms.

A timely CBC article about this very situation:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...ucus-1.7253218

[Fuzz]

Back up a sec here, did Thatcher think the Nazis were socialists? And PP is saying the same thing? Is it 1984? Dafuq?

[CliffFletcher]

Conservatives calling the Nazis socialists is pretty ####ing dumb.

But it doesn’t make PP a fascist (nor did it make Thatcher one either). Slinging the term ‘fascist’ at anyone on the political right who you hate doesn’t have the effect those doing the flinging hope it will. The only people who will agree are committed to your team already, and it just makes everyone else roll their eyes. It’s also pretty insulting to people who have lived under actual fascism.

[timun]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Nobody is entitled to responses to anything they post here.

As time goes on I wish more and more that people don't respond to my posts.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Back up a sec here, did Thatcher think the Nazis were socialists? And PP is saying the same thing? Is it 1984? Dafuq?

National Socialist, man; it's right in the name!

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Back up a sec here, did Thatcher think the Nazis were socialists? And PP is saying the same thing? Is it 1984? Dafuq?

Back up a step further, why are people who aren’t gonna run on removing healthcare, transfer payments, and other social safety nets pretending that they’re not socialists themselves?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Well we keep getting CPC supporters saying that calling PP a fascist and likening him to the verbiage spewed by Trump and his ilk South of the border is just a scare tactic. Here we have an actual example of him doing just those things and I'm curious if those same posters are willing to admit that maybe they aren't just scare tactics.

likening him to Trump over exaggerates the threat based on current evidence. So when you overstate things expect to be challenged on it and called out for what it is.

Trump actively committed treason and tried to overthrow an election. Thats pretty different from what PP is doing.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Conservatives calling the Nazis socialists is pretty ####ing dumb.

But it doesn’t make PP a fascist (nor did it make Thatcher one either.

Considering you also argued vehemently that Trump wasn't a fascist during the lead up to 2016 election and beyond, I'm not sure if you really understand what the term means.

Slinging the term ‘fascist’ at anyone on the political right who you hate doesn’t have the effect those doing the flinging hope it will.

Except I'm not doing that. I don't remember calling Scheer or O'Toole fascists, but feel free to dig it up if I did.

PP is absolutely running plays out of the fascist playbook. Do you agree or disagree? If you agree, is that not concerning? The problem

It’s also pretty insulting to people who have lived under actual fascism.

Save the pear-clutching, Cliff. Pointing out that someone has no qualms associating with fascists and using fascist rhetoric isn't trivializing victims of fascism.

Originally Posted by GGG

likening him to Trump over exaggerates the threat based on current evidence. So when you overstate things expect to be challenged on it and called out for what it is.

Trump actively committed treason and tried to overthrow an election. Thats pretty different from what PP is doing.

This is akin to saying he's not a fascist because he hasn't opened any concentration camps yet. Trump didn't just start an insurrection overnight. He obtained his power and his following by employing certain strategies and rhetoric.

Even if we don't think PP is going to direct the Freedom Convoy idiots to storm Parliament, it's still troubling that he's comfortable employing similar tactics and rhetoric as Trump has.