[Rumour] Kylington to test free agency

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I don’t think any other team was impressed with Kylington turning down multiple years from the Flames after the way they handled his situation. I would think they view him as a player with no loyalty, and nobody thinks you can win with those guys.

Did Kylington turn down multiple years? I must have missed that, I thought he turned down a one year contract at an unspecified amount.

[Yeah_Baby]

Once again I, someone who has taken a leave from work for my mental health and whose work had been suffering but now I've been rock solid for several years since, after the tentative dive back in, don't work for some of you.

"it's been good PR but fata that guy" isn't exactly an enlightened stance and shows us living with depression and anxiety etc that people really don't care about just pay lip service that is easily thrown away if they don't get their way.

[jaikorven]

100% my opinion here.

I think this division amongst CP here is really whether the team should be willing to gamble on Kyllington for an additional year or whether Kyllington should be willing to gamble on himself. I know where I stand.

Take the 1-year deal and prove you are worth more of a gamble.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

My view is that the above is unknown. We don't really know what Kylington is capable of after 70 games of hockey three years ago. Maybe he is dependable on his own. Maybe he can anchor a pairing.

There's a lot of uncertainty around the player. And when uncertainty is high and the team is going to suck either way, taking the risk seems sensible from a club perspective.

He's basically a free reclamation project.

You're talking the risk / reward of signing the player from a Flame's standpoint.

I was talking about who took the risk from the player's view ... the player or the agent.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

We are rebuilding giving Kylington 2 years is a smart move. If he plays, I bet he out plays that contract. I agree he probably doesn't deserve it but it is low risk as the Flames likely do not spend the cap in the next 2 years anyways.


Trade Rasmus if he signs too. This summer, lots of teams that could load up still with not many UFAs left.

giving a player more than he has earned is a "smart" move?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

"it's been good PR but fata that guy" isn't exactly an enlightened stance and shows us living with depression and anxiety etc that people really don't care about just pay lip service that is easily thrown away if they don't get their way.

I don't really think that is what the majority of people are saying though. The Flames offered him a contract and his camp wanted to see if another team could do better. It would be like you going to your company after leave and saying I am going to look for other jobs. At that point, the conversation definitely shifts.

I don't think anyone will be mad if he ends up re-signing but I also don't think the Flames should be slagged if they have made the decision to move on.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Once again I, someone who has taken a leave from work for my mental health and whose work had been suffering but now I've been rock solid for several years since, after the tentative dive back in, don't work for some of you.

"it's been good PR but fata that guy" isn't exactly an enlightened stance and shows us living with depression and anxiety etc that people really don't care about just pay lip service that is easily thrown away if they don't get their way.

The is the NHL, the best hockey league in the world

if he had a knee injury and played 33 games in the last two years he would be under the same scrutiny, likely worse. By all accounts he was offered more than a million dollars to maybe play hockey next year...paid either way

sign me up.

Oliver is the one who turned down the offer of a guaranteed contract from the Flames, not the other way around. Are they just supposed to pay anything he demands? Guy wasn't even an established player before all this.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don't really think that is what the majority of people are saying though. The Flames offered him a contract and his camp wanted to see if another team could do better. It would be like you going to your company after leave and saying I am going to look for other jobs. At that point, the conversation definitely shifts.

I don't think anyone will be mad if he ends up re-signing but I also don't think the Flames should be slagged if they have made the decision to move on.

Yeah, I don't think I was reacting to the majority.
And I know we're also talking apples adn origins a bit too

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

giving a player more than he has earned is a "smart" move?

It also depends on how the Flames view Kylington. If they think he is a #5 with limited upside then it really doesn't make any sense to overpay him to try and get a future asset.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Once again I, someone who has taken a leave from work for my mental health and whose work had been suffering but now I've been rock solid for several years since, after the tentative dive back in, don't work for some of you.

"it's been good PR but fata that guy" isn't exactly an enlightened stance and shows us living with depression and anxiety etc that people really don't care about just pay lip service that is easily thrown away if they don't get their way.

There is enough depression, anxiety and mental health issues happening everywhere in todays world, perhaps being driven in part by technology, lifestyle and the garbage food we are all used to eating today. A different convo perhaps.

That being said, when you went back to work and had a fair salary for your work, did you accept things and see how things go? Or did you make it clear to your employer that you had other considerations to make and that you would be looking at potential options with the competitors?

We all have had relationships/friendships where 1 side feels they have extended a lot of goodwill and courtesy to another and feel a bit slighted if people want to explore other options or don't pay back what we deem is loyalty. Heck, Tampa Bay made an insulting offer to their franchise player to bring in other guys. Stamkos is a legend and was kicked to the curb.

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that perhaps Oliver isn't really driving the bus in this regard and probably shouldn't think so. A marquee player, a top notch employee or a celebrity just is in a different category than a bubble one. Elite is elite.

I actually hope we are all wrong and he goes onto sign a great deal and has a great career and has to never look back onto the dark days again.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The is the NHL, the best hockey league in the world

if he had a knee injury and played 33 games in the last two years he would be under the same scrutiny, likely worse.

Monahan is a great example

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Once again I, someone who has taken a leave from work for my mental health and whose work had been suffering but now I've been rock solid for several years since, after the tentative dive back in, don't work for some of you.

"it's been good PR but fata that guy" isn't exactly an enlightened stance and shows us living with depression and anxiety etc that people really don't care about just pay lip service that is easily thrown away if they don't get their way.

The fanbase and team has been more than supportive to Kylington and yes, he's fully entitled to look elsewhere. However, the team went above and beyond to accommodate him through his struggles in my books, and he easily could have shown some good faith by signing a 1 year deal to prove it to the team and league.

Kylington's decision just goes to show that it's a business first and foremost and all this talk about the Flames doing the right thing should easily be turned around on him in this case imho.

Does he make the 2024-2025 Flames any better than Bean next year? Nope.

[EldrickOnIce]

That this thread has nearly reached 500 posts is truly baffling.
He wants to move on; the Flames moved on. There is not nor should there be any ill will anywhere.

[dino7c]

Mantha scored 23 goals last year and is a solid NHL veteran with multiple good seasons under his belt. Signed a one year deal with a rebuilding club to prove himself...again.

on what planet is OK above that or it someone a slap in the face offer?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

The fanbase and team has been more than supportive to Kylington and yes, he's fully entitled to look elsewhere. However, the team went above and beyond to accommodate him through his struggles in my books, and he easily could have shown some good faith by signing a 1 year deal to prove it to the team and league.

Kylington's decision just goes to show that it's a business first and foremost and all this talk about the Flames doing the right thing should easily be turned around on him in this case imho.

Does he make the 2024-2025 Flames any better than Bean next year? Nope.

It's the idea that they went "above and beyond" that some disagree with. This shouldn't be considered above and beyond, this should be how things are handled as a baseline.

With that said, I have no issue with the team not be willing to commitment beyond a 1 year deal. That's prudent.

And I have no issue with him wanting a 2 year deal and exploring if he can get that elsewhere.

no one is in the wrong here, from my view.

Nor is anything owed by one party to the other.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

That this thread has nearly reached 500 posts is truly baffling.
He wants to move on; the Flames moved on. There is not nor should there be any ill will anywhere.

He wanted to stay with unrealistic demands based on circumstance

Imagine discussing hockey on a hockey message board!

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He wanted to stay with unrealistic demands based on circumstance

Imagine discussing hockey on a hockey message board

No. He's an unrestricted free agent who exercised his rights. As did the Flames

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's the idea that they went "above and beyond" that some disagree with. This shouldn't be considered above and beyond, this should be how things are handled as a baseline.

With that said, I have no issue with the team not be willing to commitment beyond a 1 year deal. That's prudent.

And I have no issue with him wanting a 2 year deal and exploring if he can get that elsewhere.

no one is in the wrong here, from my view.

Nor is anything owed by one party to the other.

He can explore all he wants, looks like he got some bad advice though...the offer he turned down is likely off the table. Teams aren't exactly pounding down the door.

[midniteowl]

After all that happened, I really don't see any GM willing to offer him more than one year show me contract. Probably a one year league minimum show me contract. His situation is worse than a player coming back from a long term injury, at least those, team can may be check it out by doctor that the injury is healed or the severity of the injury. With mental health, it's very difficult for teams to check an see is he is indeed completely healed. I don't even think he, himself can say he's completely healed and this is why he wants a longer term contract, just in case.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He can explore all he wants, looks like he got some bad advice though...the offer he turned down is likely off the table. Teams aren't exactly pounding down the door.

I don't know how one can conclude anything at this point.
Maybe he's negotiating with several teams right now to land the best deal? I have no idea.