[Rumour] Kylington to test free agency

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by curves2000

avoiding paying people who don't work for them as much as possible, there is ample evidence to that. Calgary isn't a team with a ton of retention dollars, buyouts and more.

This can be put to bed. Did you miss the Markstrom trade?

[Housley4Prez]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Why though? Are you saying this because of the recent signings or the fact that he went to market and didn’t sign prior to July 1?

I'm saying that because Conroy was clear about his strategy to ONLY keep players that want to be here. By not signing prior to July 1, that message was clear. As well, just walk away from the distraction, and give the fanbase long enough to FINALLY realize how insanely overrated Kylly has been the entire time. I can't wait until he's not a Flame.

[Housley4Prez]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Two years of guaranteed money could be life changing for Kylington at this point depending on his circumstances. Maybe he's not at a point where he's willing to bet on himself with a one year contract.

I think that it's totally possible he deeply appreciates the Flames and wants to be here, but feels his hand is forced looking out for his future and financial wellbeing.

Here's the thing... he signed his LAST contract on August 2, 2022, posted a bunch of his fun travel photos after, and then proceeded to no-show camp with an announcement on Sept 23, 2022.

So, he got his "two years of guaranteed money" already. I hope he is in a better mental health space. I also hope he's not on our roster any more.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Two years of guaranteed money could be life changing for Kylington at this point depending on his circumstances. Maybe he's not at a point where he's willing to bet on himself with a one year contract.

I think that it's totally possible he deeply appreciates the Flames and wants to be here, but feels his hand is forced looking out for his future and financial wellbeing.

Yeah, I don't blame him for checking what is out there but I also don't blame the Flames if they have decided to move on after signing Bean.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah it's weird to me...if the Flames were steadfast on a 1 year deal only that would be a bit weird to me.

If AAV is not the issue and the Flames were at 1 x $2.5M and Kylington was at 2 x $2.5M then I'd be surprised if it didn't get done.

I get there is some risk from the Flames on that but really a 2 year deal here isn't that risky.

Maybe Kylington's camp wanted 3+ years...which I could see why the Flames had some concern...but to me that is weird from his side.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Bonded

This can be put to bed. Did you miss the Markstrom trade?

I did and if you recall it sounds like the original deal to NJ was killed because of salary retention. Probably didn't get ownership approval. Marky was asked to waive, was told he was going to NJ and it leaked. When it fell apart because of salary retention most likely is when he publicly called out the team. "It should have been handled better from the top".

I go back to my original point and that the Flames are not a team that usually has a lot of buyouts and wastes money unnecessarily. That's a good thing! Teams like Edmonton and others have historically tried to buyout their problems instead of avoiding them. In another thread people are already talking about cheating the system for LTIR for Kane in Edmonton and they just bought out their #1 goalie in Campbell for 6 more years. There has been years where some teams have 3 and 4 players with dead money on the cap.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah it's weird to me...if the Flames were steadfast on a 1 year deal only that would be a bit weird to me.

If AAV is not the issue and the Flames were at 1 x $2.5M and Kylington was at 2 x $2.5M then I'd be surprised if it didn't get done.

I get there is some risk from the Flames on that but really a 2 year deal here isn't that risky.

Maybe Kylington's camp wanted 3+ years...which I could see why the Flames had some concern...but to me that is weird from his side.

Why would that be a surprise? The guy isn't exactly reliable.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I did and if you recall it sounds like the original deal to NJ was killed because of salary retention. Probably didn't get ownership approval. Marky was asked to waive, was told he was going to NJ and it leaked. When it fell apart because of salary retention most likely is when he publicly called out the team. "It should have been handled better from the top".

I go back to my original point and that the Flames are not a team that usually has a lot of buyouts and wastes money unnecessarily. That's a good thing! Teams like Edmonton and others have historically tried to buyout their problems instead of avoiding them. In another thread people are already talking about cheating the system for LTIR for Kane in Edmonton and they just bought out their #1 goalie in Campbell for 6 more years. There has been years where some teams have 3 and 4 players with dead money on the cap.

I don’t recall anyone saying it was over retention. It was due to lack of assets coming back for said retention.

[Housley4Prez]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah it's weird to me...if the Flames were steadfast on a 1 year deal only that would be a bit weird to me.

If AAV is not the issue and the Flames were at 1 x $2.5M and Kylington was at 2 x $2.5M then I'd be surprised if it didn't get done.

I get there is some risk from the Flames on that but really a 2 year deal here isn't that risky.

Maybe Kylington's camp wanted 3+ years...which I could see why the Flames had some concern...but to me that is weird from his side.

Here's a possibility...

From a PR standpoint, of course the Flames have been 100% supportive right from the get-go. They can't question the timing, can't question anything, just have to eat the AAV under the cap, smile, and be supportive no matter what.

However, there's a possibility he's actually a giant pain in the ass to have on the roster, and isn't worth the drama that comes along with everything. It could be that NOW is the time to walk away without looking bad, and leaving a problem behind. Be honest, Oliver is a MID d-man at best, who was carried by Tanev. He signed a 2-year deal and then no-showed within 50 days of signing it. Front-facing, the Flames will look supportive, but what else COULD they do? The guy was dropping yacht photos right up until the no-show. But it's 100% politically incorrect to surmise, ponder, or say ANYTHING that isn't 1000% supportive. Now's the chance to walk away.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by nik-

Why would that be a surprise? The guy isn't exactly reliable.

Just seems worth the risk to me.

1x$2.5M vs 2 x $2.5M

Sure there is some risk, but there is also some reward if he ends up having a good season. Unless you think the chances are he's going to have a set back and not be able to play next season then the risk feels low.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah it's weird to me...if the Flames were steadfast on a 1 year deal only that would be a bit weird to me.

If AAV is not the issue and the Flames were at 1 x $2.5M and Kylington was at 2 x $2.5M then I'd be surprised if it didn't get done.

I get there is some risk from the Flames on that but really a 2 year deal here isn't that risky.

Maybe Kylington's camp wanted 3+ years...which I could see why the Flames had some concern...but to me that is weird from his side.

He really doesn't deserve a 2 year deal or anything beyond 1 year. You can't look at it with any hyper sensitivity to his off ice issues. His play was not great when he returned, and in my books Conroy is doing the right thing.

This team is trying to build a culture of people that want to be here and want to win here and it seems like Kylington only wants to be here if the contract is fully in his favour. You can't backtrack on that and expect the rest of the players not to notice.

For me that means see ya later.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Just seems worth the risk to me.

1x$2.5M vs 2 x $2.5M

Sure there is some risk, but there is also some reward if he ends up having a good season. Unless you think the chances are he's going to have a set back and not be able to play next season then the risk feels low.

Easy for us to say. We don't need to pay him 2.5 million a year to stay home and go the therapy.

[Housley4Prez]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Just seems worth the risk to me.

1x$2.5M vs 2 x $2.5M

Sure there is some risk, but there is also some reward if he ends up having a good season. Unless you think the chances are he's going to have a set back and not be able to play next season then the risk feels low.

Based on what though? He has 55 career points over 201 GP. Based on an eye test? Based on the ONE good season he sorta had in 2021-22 when he played next to Tanev?

Prior to that the most games he played in a season was 48 games in 2019-20.

On what planet is he is a low-risk?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Should we boo Conroy if he releases a player?

yeah no GM has even been criticized for releasing a player that ends up being really good elsewhere

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Just seems worth the risk to me.

1x$2.5M vs 2 x $2.5M

Sure there is some risk, but there is also some reward if he ends up having a good season. Unless you think the chances are he's going to have a set back and not be able to play next season then the risk feels low.

better players with better numbers and a more proven track record have signed for less. Why do the Flames always need to pay more?

[Roof-Daddy]

The guy signed a 2 year deal and then only played 33 games while on that deal, and missed the first season and a half after signing that 2 year deal.

There is no way in the world he or anybody in his camp should expect another 2 year deal at this point.

That is lunacy. Sign the one year deal and prove you are ready and willing to play a full season again, then we'll talk about longer term deals.

I don't know how anyone could see it any other way.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I don’t recall anyone saying it was over retention. It was due to lack of assets coming back for said retention.

Maybe we are splitting hairs here and that the required assets for the rumored trade were not enough to justify the retention? Or ownership balked at paying salary for 2+ years even though though the deal was somewhat completed.

After comments like Marky made and needing him to waive, they were out of options.

https://newjerseyhockeynow.com/2024/...oogle_vignette

Regardless of the issue and getting back to Oliver Kylington. This is about money, term and being able to fulfill his role as a full time NHL player. Clearly there is a difference of opinion on that from both sides

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I think we are overthinking this if we think this is one ownership is meddling in. I guess it's possible, but this would fall into the category of minor deal. Conroy is probably dealing this one up with his team sans influtration.

The fact that people think ME might be meddling here shows how over rated Kylington is in here by some. This is probably pretty simple.

1. OK is not viewed by Conroy as a key piece moving forward.
2. Conroy likely happy to have OK though as long as it makes sense.
3. OK wanted more (either in term, money or both) than Conroy wanted.
4. Because OK isn't viewed as a key piece moving forward, Conroy moved on and and made other moves.

Nothing more to it. I think it's showing nothing more than Conroy doesn't hold OK as highly as many do around here.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Just seems worth the risk to me.

1x$2.5M vs 2 x $2.5M

Sure there is some risk, but there is also some reward if he ends up having a good season. Unless you think the chances are he's going to have a set back and not be able to play next season then the risk feels low.

Eh, why is he worth more than Valimaki?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I think we are overthinking this if we think this is one ownership is meddling in

One person is lol