2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

While I understand that the team will be bad, and the next draft is very important for bringing in an elite player ( top 5 pick).

The Flames focus this year should 100% be prospect development.

Last year was stripping the team down to the studs.

I am not saying no more trades, but guys like Weegar, Andersson, Backlund, Coleman, Kadri are really important to teach young players how to play the games the right way.

I am worried that if you lose those players, you may dip into waters that are too deep to return from.

Agree, and the fact that the lottery is hard to win makes being exceptionally, horridly bad not a great value proposition for the risk. You could have a 10 win season and still only have a 25% chance at 1OA, but you substantially increase the risk that you either never claw yourself out of that hole or that it takes a lot longer than it otherwise would.

[cannon7]

Conroy still has a lot of work to do. Anyone saying he should let it ride from here on are jumping the gun, IMO. He needs to maximize the haul in the 2025 and 2026 drafts. Flames prospect pool is only deep in a couple areas (offensive d-men, goaltending, bottom six wingers). The 2025 draft is critical to the future, must get one of those projected #1 Cs.

[HighLifeMan]

The preds are a real interesting team to target. They are over the cap with Evangelista, Parssinen, and Tomasino as unsigned RFA's. As mentioned earlier they also have Fabbro and Glass on the block who could fill needs here.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Conroy in on one or numerous of those names above.

Edit : Evangelista has one more year remaining.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Conroy still has a lot of work to do. Anyone saying he should let it ride from here on are jumping the gun, IMO. He needs to maximize the haul in the 2025 and 2026 drafts. Flames prospect pool is only deep in a couple areas (offensive d-men, goaltending, bottom six wingers). The 2025 draft is critical to the future, must get one of those projected #1 Cs.

If Conroy changes nothing this is still a bottom five team, unless Wolf comes out and steals games for us.

The conversation is does Coleman bring more value to the team by facilitating good work ethic and structure or as a 3rd round pick? To me the answer is obvious.

Trade UFAs keep quality vets, draft lots and most importantly develop prospects.

[GreenLantern2814]

They don’t need to do anything else at the moment, unless someone has actively requested a trade.

Mackenzie Weegar is a top pairing D signed for seven more years to a reasonable number.

Nazem Kadri is your #1C signed for five more years, and he’d get his current $5/35M or better if he was UFA today.

Coleman and Andersson… they can stay or go, but nothing needs to happen now.

Backlund is a Flame for life.

The only noteworthy UFA they have left is Kuzmenko - I understand they may not resign him.

But I have to imagine he’s looking at Vlad Tarasenkox, who has not been able to secure a long term deal the last two off seasons despite an exemplary career that now includes two Stanley Cups. And he has to know his resumé is Far less impressive to NHL teams.

So if things pick up where they left off at the end of the season, with the powerplay operating near 25%, and Conroy offers him 4y/$24M or thereabouts, I can see the player agreeing to that.

Every guaranteed year in the NHL is a year closer to Putin’s death.

[BrownDrake]

Andersson, Coronato and NJ's first next year for Mercer and Nemec??

[Paulie Walnuts]

We have no room for any of the players.

Conroy can sit still now, we have cap space to burn. It's more beneficial to get some picks and assets for a bad contract at this point in our rebuild.

We are not trying to ice a roster that can pile up wins.

[Vinny01]

Andersson is the trade chip the Flames must prioritize next but there is no rush on that and if anything give him this season to get his groove back a little and his value come trade deadline could be massive given the Flames could eat half and a team gets 2 runs with him.

I am not looking to move Coleman for a year at least unless he requests a trade

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

If Conroy changes nothing this is still a bottom five team, unless Wolf comes out and steals games for us.

The conversation is does Coleman bring more value to the team by facilitating good work ethic and structure or as a 3rd round pick? To me the answer is obvious.

Trade UFAs keep quality vets, draft lots and most importantly develop prospects.

True. The exception comes if the return for certain vets passes a threshold where it is worth it to trade them. And that threshold is different for each player. For example, if a team was willing to trade a first round pick (top ten protected) for a retained Coleman, I think that value is high enough that it would be worth it to trade him. Your example of a 3rd round pick is probably much closer to what he would realistically return and, I agree, in that scenario it’s likely not worth it to trade him - the flames don’t need the cap space and he is a great veteran leader.

Similar with Andersson… I was hoping his trade value would be enough to get another top 15 pick in the draft last week but maybe no teams were offering that. Or maybe Conroy wanted more than that. Either way, going forward, I think it’s likely Andersson could easily return a 1st round pick+ in any trade even if it’s not until the TDL of the year his contract expires (2026). So for it to be worth trading him now, the return has to either be a 1st round pick+++ or it needs to be a high 1st round pick (i.e., a 1st round pick where the flames know it’s in the top half of the draft). If those kind of returns have not been offered yet, then it’s likely not worth trading him yet.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

Andersson, Coronato and NJ's first next year for Mercer and Nemec??

The Flames already got this in the Markstrom trade lol.

Also I think the chances of Jersey trading Nemec are close to 0%.

EDIT: Yeah, totally misread the thing with the pick. I still don't think either team does this trade, though.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

Andersson, Coronato and NJ's first next year for Mercer and Nemec??

Simon Nemec is Eliot Ness untouchable.

[Toonage]

You'd think we'd all learn, or at least have more appreciation of, given the past few trade deadlines just what we're likely to get.

[saillias]

Trouba is in decline and a goon but... with a sweetener? only 2 years at 8 mil left, and we could take that cap hit on in full without a problem.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by saillias

Trouba is in decline and a goon but... with a sweetener? only 2 years at 8 mil left, and we could take that cap hit on in full without a problem.

Troubas exercising every power he has to stay in NY. He's not being traded unless it's to the Devil's or Isles.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by saillias

Trouba is in decline and a goon but... with a sweetener? only 2 years at 8 mil left, and we could take that cap hit on in full without a problem.

Zero chance he’d waive. Not sure it’d be worth picking him up on waivers

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

Agree, and the fact that the lottery is hard to win makes being exceptionally, horridly bad not a great value proposition for the risk. You could have a 10 win season and still only have a 25% chance at 1OA, but you substantially increase the risk that you either never claw yourself out of that hole or that it takes a lot longer than it otherwise would.

It’s just not getting the #1 pick, it’s getting the best possible pick.

Plus keeping guys who are decent players makes it longer to get out of the hole.

None of those guys will be around when Calgary next contends, so you lose out on the draft picks those players would bring in, plus make your draft possession worse.

I get the culture thing, but you can always bring in some veteran players to help with that.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

Andersson, Coronato and NJ's first next year for Mercer and Nemec??

Nemec is basically untouchable.

[dammage79]

How did we circle back to trading with NJ again?
We shot our shots with them already. I don't think Fitz would pick up the phone until at least the next deadline.

[Ped]

Trouba iirc only has a 15-team no-trade list. So he doesn't control where he goes, only where he doesn't.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Trouba wife has 2 years left on a residency at hospital in New York.

That is why he is blocking trades.