[Signing] Lindholm (7yrs, $7.75 mil AAV) and Zadorov (6x$5M) to Bruins

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I think we need to be careful about the cap just going up. The NBA didn't even have the increase they expected.

The Canadian TV deal is up in 2 years.

$5 million for 6 years for a 3rd pairing D is expensive

The NHLPA has an artificial escalator by which they can continue to increase the cap every single year, don't they?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

While the outlook for TV deals increasing in value looks pessimistic.

The outlook for revenue sharing looks better than ever the 4th lowest earning team ( AZ) moving to a new market, and the 2nd lowest earning team the (FLA) winning the cup should have a tangible benefit.

Agreed, but those benefits are small relative to the size of the TV deal. The Panthers have a 19k seat arena, even if their pricing goes up $30 USD per game that's like $350k on the cap. Maybe AZ to Utah adds a half million or something like that, but the TV deals are where the real money is.

The national deals might still be fine, although I really doubt the NHL gets $500MM/year for Canadian national rights when they come up (which is what would be necessary for it to not reduce the cap). But the regional deals in the US are where the real pain is going to be felt. With the cable bundle dying there isn't the option of charging every household in the metro area $1.50/month for NHL games that most of them never watch. Instead NHL teams seem to be heading for over-the-air options. That's probably better from a "growing the game" point of view, but not as good from a "maximizing near term revenue" point of view.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Locke

Tell those Yanks that you come from far-off Eastern Lands and as such should be referred to as 'Big Zed.'

Solved. You're welcome.

Now. I'm off to cure Cancer, broker Peace in the Middle East and create the perfect Sandwich.

I'll bring the Arby's sauce.

[FanIn80]

Reading through the first couple pages of this thread, and all I can think is...

Who's more likely to be right about Lindholm's value as a player, the people employed in various decision and knowledge based positions in and around the NHL... orrrr some people who watch hockey in the evenings to wind down and then post their opinions on the Internet?

I haven't read or heard anything from a legitimate NHL pro who doesn't love what Lindholm brings to the table. Does he score 70 goals? No, he doesn't... but just like there are times where some of us might wish he scored more than he does, there are probably countless times where people have wished Matthews played more like Lindholm does.


(note: "played like Lindholm does" is not the same as "omg I wish Matthews was Lindholm")

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

My expectation is actually the opposite of a lot of folks here. Boston has a way of elevating players past any reasonable expectation, and not really for any reason anyone can discern.

Hampus Lindholm looked cooked, but Boston trades for him and the clock turns back five years and he's great again. Pavel Zacha was a scrub struggling to hit 35 points with horrendous underlying results; Boston acquires him and suddenly he's a 50-point guy. Taylor Hall collapsed again as soon as he left.

I fully expect Lindholm to get back to 70 or even 80 points, and Zadorov to post a new career high. That's just the way things always seem to work out for the Bruins.

They are one of the rare teams that are year in, year out able to get a full roster buy-in on playing a team game and when everyone is on the same page, playing the right way, good things happen. I expect Lindholm especially to have some good season as he’s a good fit for what they do.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The NHLPA has an artificial escalator by which they can continue to increase the cap every single year, don't they?

They did, and they used it every time I believe.

The new deal after covid with escrow debt being paid, I am not sure anymore.

I think it was announced every time they applied the escalator as well.

[Jay Random]

They did away with the NHLPA escalator in the post-Covid tweaks to the CBA. I remember that was a specific talking point. Instead, they're supposed to be setting the cap number a year ahead to remove uncertainty.

For the time being, the 5% yearly increase is locked in. Now that the escrow debt is paid off, the cap is a long way below the players' 50% share of HRR. In '23-24, revenue was over $6 billion. That would translate to a salary-range midpoint of $93.75 million per team, minus player benefits. Based on the current formula, the cap should already be $100 million or more, and it will continue to rise by 5% per year until it catches up. I expect a 5% increase for each of the next two years, even if HRR is stagnant.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I'll bring the Arby's sauce.

God damn it. Your post made me want to get a roast beef sandwich from Arby's so looked it up and the closest one to me (Toronto) is an hour away in Burlington. Ugh!~

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

They are one of the rare teams that are year in, year out able to get a full roster buy-in on playing a team game and when everyone is on the same page, playing the right way, good things happen. I expect Lindholm especially to have some good season as he’s a good fit for what they do.

and this happens when the person who we'd believe sets the system, style and buy-in - the head coach - changes too! Their leadership core is great despite people claiming that Marchand sucks, is a rat and a terrible leader.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Coach

Aggressively Medium Z?

Mid Z

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Reading through the first couple pages of this thread, and all I can think is...

Who's more likely to be right about Lindholm's value as a player, the people employed in various decision and knowledge based positions in and around the NHL... orrrr some people who watch hockey in the evenings to wind down and then post their opinions on the Internet? )

I’m actually go with diehard fans a lot of the time on July 1st. A lot of these contracts will age poorly and a lot of them are fairly obvious the second they are announced.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I’m actually go with diehard fans a lot of the time on July 1st. A lot of these contracts will age poorly and a lot of them are fairly obvious the second they are announced.

But the GM’s know that. They are trying to win and that’s the cost. 80% of UFA contracts will stink at the end.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

But the GM’s know that. They are trying to win and that’s the cost. 80% of UFA contracts will stink at the end.

Yup.

Giving too much term to big-name UFAs is the price they have to pay to sign them. They're happy to pay it since they don't have to give up any other assets.

Better still, by the time the player isn't worth his money, the team will probably be in a rebuild anyway. The GM increases his team's chances of winning now and pays the bill years in the future when the team will have tons of cap space.

Best of all, it will probably end up being the next GM's problem.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

My expectation is actually the opposite of a lot of folks here. Boston has a way of elevating players past any reasonable expectation, and not really for any reason anyone can discern.

Hampus Lindholm looked cooked, but Boston trades for him and the clock turns back five years and he's great again. Pavel Zacha was a scrub struggling to hit 35 points with horrendous underlying results; Boston acquires him and suddenly he's a 50-point guy. Taylor Hall collapsed again as soon as he left.

I fully expect Lindholm to get back to 70 or even 80 points, and Zadorov to post a new career high. That's just the way things always seem to work out for the Bruins.

I agree.
I think Lindholm will be a solid contributor, and I actually think Zadorov will flourish in Boston. I don't think he has peaked yet and he will establish himself solidly in the top 4.

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1808613250248192143

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1808613250248192143

That's a $13,750,000 ‘oops’ for Lindholm.

[dino7c]

15.5M

although I suppose he might get a contract in that 8th year

[activeStick]

In a chat with Steinberg after the draft, Conroy mentioned that as part of the whole process, the team of scouts, with management reviews past years' picks, their development since they were picked to understand if they need to shift on any of their criteria, so my expectation and guess is they do the same for contract offers, trades, etc. Hopefully, they'll have reviewed the entire path that got them ultimately to the decision that offering Lindholm 8.5M per year was a smart decision, which was pretty clearly the wrong decision. Identify their biases, their poor analytics or whatever metrics or considerations were key in leading to that almost disastrous choice.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by activeStick

In a chat with Steinberg after the draft, Conroy mentioned that as part of the whole process, the team of scouts, with management reviews past years' picks, their development since they were picked to understand if they need to shift on any of their criteria, so my expectation and guess is they do the same for contract offers, trades, etc. Hopefully, they'll have reviewed the entire path that got them ultimately to the decision that offering Lindholm 8.5M per year was a smart decision, which was pretty clearly the wrong decision. Identify their biases, their poor analytics or whatever metrics or considerations were key in leading to that almost disastrous choice.

I would guess that they still considered Lindholm to be a very good player. And based on his ability with Johnny and Matthew you can't fault them. But after those two left he was a shell of himself, still a good player but not the offensive threat he once was. It will be interesting to see which Lindholm shows up in Boston, because in the past he has demonstrated he can be a better player than we're seeing. I agree I think signing him that contract in Calgary would have been the wrong decision, just based on his drop off in overall play.

If he plays up to his potential this could be a very good signing for Boston.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by enoch root

van trades kuzmenko, brzustewicz, jurmo, 1st, 3rd, 4th and a 5th

for debrusk, heinen and forbort nothing

fyp