[News Roundup] Canada Day: Conroy talks

[AC]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

What happened to AJ Greer? I would bring him back on the cheap

Signed with Florida.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

What happened to AJ Greer? I would bring him back on the cheap

Signed in Florida

[Finger Cookin]

Good to see and hear the plan for the next few years and that he stuck to it in the draft and in July 1.

Now if only there was a fast forward button to bypass watching this season's games. Or the skip a season like in a simulator. This season is going to be rough.

[The Original FFIV]

Have to say I’m surprised no Wennberg given need for a C

Played with Huby in Florida. Unless he had no interest coming here and given what he signed for, thought it was a good match.

Hopefully there is a plan b which doesn’t include internal candidates. Easy to convert centers to wingers instead of the opposite.

Pinto from Ottawa, KK from Carolina, hope we can find a good option before camp. At least we have money available should something come up, haven’t been able to say that in a long while.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Conroy continues to impress.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Conroy continues to impress.

Agree.

His next test is sticking to the plan when things start going right.

If we have a goalie emerge, and the guys "buy in", I can get to 250goals for a lot easier than last years team. With buy in we could keep pucks out of the net better than last year. All of a sudden we have a playoff bubble team again.

We need to get our high skill center for the next generation in the next two drafts. That means sticking to the plan for a top 10 this year in my opinion.

[Royle9]

Lomberg signed for the Greer spot.
Makes more sense too, Lomberg is a far better team guy.

[FiveSeven]

Lost a Tkachuk, gained a Lomberg.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Now we know Conroy is good a tearing a team down. Let's see how good he is at bbuilding things back up.

It looks like he's doing things differently, he's talking about giving young guys more of an opportunity. He's talking about vets coming in to help the young guys learn how to win. He's signing shorter contracts with a purpose. He's actually got a timeline; Something we didn't see during the Treliving era, you never really saw a plan, sometimes guys were brought guys in to do something but took spots from younger guys, and sometimes those guys didn't do anything at all while getting paid and more ice time.

One of the biggest things that has held back the Flames over the last few years is a few entitled players. Players choosing when they wanted to come and play, while certain players appeared to take a whole season off. Conroy looks focused on building a better culture, he is not just putting pieces together like we saw with the Treliving era.

Treliving's big signing of Tanev is the kind of moves that sink a franchise. What happens if Tanev slows down over the next two or three years, I doubt he will just mail it in like some of Trelivings other signings. Shorter contracts means guys have to perform, and the contract won't sink the ship if things don't work out.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by Cole436

This restraint on July 1st is something I’ve never experienced as a Flames fan in 20 years. It’s refreshing.

Totally agree as July 1 is usually when teams make bad deals. However, it is fun when your team is competitive and you’re closing in on big names that could potentially push you over the top. Unfortunately a lot of those types of deals under Tre never worked out.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Totally agree as July 1 is usually when teams make bad deals. However, it is fun when your team is competitive and you’re closing in on big names that could potentially push you over the top. Unfortunately a lot of those types of deals under Tre never worked out.

Probably because he signed them, to long term deals. I bet if Conroy was in Treliving's spot he would never have signed Huberdeau for that long. Guy comes into the Flames franchise and has never had to earn anything and he's getting paid like that and doesn't really show up for the first couple seasons. Sure people are saying he's being a good teammate playing better defensively but for that contract he really hasn't brought it. Conroy only brought in Mantha for one year, and probably isn't thrilled at this point that he has to go and find somebody for Huberdeau. Huberdeau, doesn't really fit into the development plan over the next couple years, so it makes little sense to go out and find players for him. But he does help us reach the floor. Huberdeau's struggles, and lack of production are a big reason that the Flames have had to retool.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Probably because he signed them, to long term deals. I bet if Conroy was in Treliving's spot he would never have signed Huberdeau for that long.

I don't think Huberdeau was signing unless he got term. After that 115-point season, and going into a contract year, he had all kinds of leverage.

Nobody expected him to turn into a pumpkin, least of all himself.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Probably because he signed them, to long term deals. I bet if Conroy was in Treliving's spot he would never have signed Huberdeau for that long. Guy comes into the Flames franchise and has never had to earn anything and he's getting paid like that and doesn't really show up for the first couple seasons. Sure people are saying he's being a good teammate playing better defensively but for that contract he really hasn't brought it. Conroy only brought in Mantha for one year, and probably isn't thrilled at this point that he has to go and find somebody for Huberdeau. Huberdeau, doesn't really fit into the development plan over the next couple years, so it makes little sense to go out and find players for him. But he does help us reach the floor. Huberdeau's struggles, and lack of production are a big reason that the Flames have had to retool.

The choice was signing him for 8 years or trading him. 90% of posters here wanted him signed immediately, or the Florida trade was a bust. In hindsight, trading him was the right move, but it wasn’t obvious. Except to the Stanley Cup champions.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The choice was signing him for 8 years or trading him. 90% of posters here wanted him signed immediately, or the Florida trade was a bust. In hindsight, trading him was the right move, but it wasn’t obvious. Except to the Stanley Cup champions.

My point is Treliving didn't really have a plan. I don't know, I remember a lot of people we're skeptical and didn't like this signing,

Further to my point was Treliving made the same mistake (he is making with Tanev) when he signed Troy Bouwer and James Neil the more I think about it I'm not so sure Conroy initially wouldn't have made the same mistake, He was still trying to sign guys to long-term contracts before he decided trade them for picks, but that process created an avenue where Conroy has to realize something's broken.

We were kind of forced into this re-tool by players who didn't want to stay. My point basically is that Treliving has a habit of signing his long-term contracts the tend to cripple, I think we're going to start seeing league wide trend of signing players with some skill to short term show me deals to ensure that they show up to play. This version of Conroy would never have signed Huberdeau to a long-term loaded contract.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

My point is Treliving didn't really have a plan

Tre never had a plan.

He had a PROCESS.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Tre never had a plan.

He had a PROCESS.

I didn't have enough respect for the PROCESS and it's out now

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

My point is Treliving didn't really have a plan. I don't know, I remember a lot of people we're skeptical and didn't like this signing,

Further to my point was Treliving made the same mistake (he is making with Tanev) when he signed Troy Bouwer and James Neil the more I think about it .

The people who didn't like the signing were definitely in the minority (I think they were more people who said the trade was a bust IF Huberdeau wasn't signed long term).

I don't think Treliving is making a big mistake with Tanev. He's making a bet that Tanev won't be there for the whole term. Tanev will be worth the money for the first part of that deal, unlike Neal and Brouwer.

[Roof-Daddy]

The way I remember it is most people were worried because Tkachuk was just traded for two players who were going to be UFA's after one year and were panicked that they'd end up walking for nothing. All we'd be left with was a 1st and a mid prospect for Tkachuk.

Most were relieved when Hubby and Weegar re-signed.

[ViKen]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The people who didn't like the signing were definitely in the minority (I think they were more people who said the trade was a bust IF Huberdeau wasn't signed long term).

I don't think Treliving is making a big mistake with Tanev. He's making a bet that Tanev won't be there for the whole term. Tanev will be worth the money for the first part of that deal, unlike Neal and Brouwer.

I think you mean Treliving won't be there for the entire term. As a player, would you think Tanev would walk away and retire in 3 years leaving 3 years remaining (about $13M)?

So many fans like myself called Tre a wizard but he was all talk and really set us back a ton. Most overrated GM and horrible at drafting and development. It just never seemed like a priority to value higher picks. Instead, constantly trading away picks to take chances on retreads / UFAs.

CC has brought a refreshing approach and breathed hope into the Flames and us fans. Pray that it pans out.

[Jay Random]

Under Treliving, the Flames were actually quite good at drafting and development. They just didn’t do enough of either because they kept bleeding picks away.