[Rumour] Kylington to test free agency

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Which is why Kylington should get a 2 year deal if it's out there for him. Kylington has to look out for himself.

No problem with the Flames letting him walk, and no problem with Kylington walking on my side. Anyone talking loyalty just bugs me. The Flames did the right thing, and part of doing the right thing is not holding it over someone's head with expectations after the fact.

I don’t know that a two year deal is so great for OK. He hasn’t done much to increase his value, a good season could really change that.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don’t know that a two year deal is so great for OK. He hasn’t done much to increase his value, a good season could really change that.

I agree - but a bad season could be disastrous. 2 years gets him the security where he can just go play hockey and not focus on a contract year (again). If he signs a 1 year contract, and things go sour...he's probably done.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

How so? Is this a comment that chance of missing time to physical injury is same as mental?

Would love to see that analysis.

It’s more a comment that we don’t actually know the risk so we probably shouldn’t pretend to know it. It’s like me saying a player who has had an injury is a big risk to miss time to an injury again.

Some physical injuries or ailments are more likely to reoccur than others, some (with proper treatment and recovery) have an extremely low likelihood of reoccurring. Some mental health issues are more prone to reoccurring or being ongoing, some (with proper treatment and recovery) have an extremely low likelihood of reoccurring.

Saying Kylington is a “big risk” not to finish a two year contract is speaking purely from ignorance. We don’t actually know. Kylington knows. His doctors know. The team might. But that’s it.

Mental health is complex enough that two people dealing with depression can have entirely different experiences from symptoms to recovery and future outlook, so for people to just lump “mental health” together as one thing? It’s just stupid.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I agree - but a bad season could be disastrous. 2 years gets him the security where he can just go play hockey and not focus on a contract year (again). If he signs a 1 year contract, and things go sour...he's probably done.

If he’s thinking that way, no team should want to sign him past a year.

I feel he could get a higher AAV on a 1 year deal and Flames may well be leery is he is not interested.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If he’s thinking that way, no team should want to sign him past a year.

Free and cheap too 4/5 dman if it works out. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if he gets two years.

[TheIronMaiden]

One thing is generally true. Making more money is good for your mental health.

[keenan87]

I think he goes to LA.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s more a comment that we don’t actually know the risk so we probably shouldn’t pretend to know it. It’s like me saying a player who has had an injury is a big risk to miss time to an injury again.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

He’s no-more at risk of it than any other player.

Just don't start with that definitive statement then. You can't even keep your own argument straight.

It's ok to have an opinion either way, and I totally get yours. But I'm not sure how or why we devolve to the other side "is just stupid".

I see a team wanting to take this step by step and not get over their skis given the risks. It wasn't long ago OK said he wasn't sure he could continue. That is completely different than experts assessing the risk of well studied commonplace knee injuries. We will get there, but takes time.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Just don't start with that definitive statement then. You can't even keep your own argument straight.

It's ok to have an opinion either way, and I totally get yours. But I'm not sure how or why we devolve to the other side "is just stupid".

I see a team wanting to take this step by step and not get over their skis given the risks. It wasn't long ago OK said he wasn't sure he could continue. That is completely different than experts assessing the risk of well studied commonplace knee injuries. We will get there, but takes time.

Given what risks? Can you explain the risks, based on what you know about this specific issue?

Care to share how different the risk and prognosis for this issue is vs a commonplace knee injury?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Given what risks? Can you explain the risks, based on what you know about this specific issue?

Care to share how different the risk and prognosis for this issue is vs a commonplace knee injury?

While I am neither a psychologist or knee specialist, it would seem to me depression is something which can recur more than a physical injury.
It takes something specific to re-injure a specific physical injury, such as a knee, while depression can recur for any myriad of factors, some seemingly unrelated to the initial cause.

Knowledge based upon seeing loved ones with depression and what can trigger it, as compared to living with torn knee ligaments and separated shoulder, and what re-injures them.

Mental health is much trickier than most physical injuries, as the onset can be truly invisible, and unrelated to the physical sport.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Given what risks? Can you explain the risks, based on what you know about this specific issue?

Care to share how different the risk and prognosis for this issue is vs a commonplace knee injury?

Oh goodness.....I don't know the risks. That's obvious.

But didn't you already convey your knowledge here though.....i think maybe when you said "no-more at risk of it than any other player". That sounds like you have a view on the amount of risk. Oh right...then you said "we don't actually know the risk"! Which is it?

[Roof-Daddy]

Flames moved on and signed Bean instead

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Flames moved on and signed Bean instead

Bean at 2nd pairing anchor is scary, they still need another defense

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Flames moved on and signed Bean instead

If Kylington would have taken the same deal then it was the wrong choice

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by DJones

Bean at 2nd pairing anchor is scary, they still need another defense

IMO they will give Bahl a bigger role

Bean will be 3rd pair

[Sec214]

Flames have a final offer out to him currently.

We have a good thing going here Oliver…

[FBI]

Just had a scary thought. What if he goes to Edmonton? A good cheap D?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by FBI

Just had a scary thought. What if he goes to Edmonton? A good cheap D?

As Ron Burgundy would say

"You shut your who** mouth"

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by FBI

Just had a scary thought. What if he goes to Edmonton? A good cheap D?

As said before, they have nobody to shelter him so it doesn't matter.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Flames have a final offer out to him currently.

We have a good thing going here Oliver…

Hopefully it's a 1 year deal