[Rumour] Kylington to test free agency

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That would have been an unsuccessful attempt and been an exceptionally bad look on the Flames.

Could they not just have him suspended for failure to report to the team? His contract would simply be put on hold until he was able to be with the club so that he would lose no income. At that point they would start paying him again. Instead they literally paid him while he was receiving help and for a year and a half.

Now if the illness was a direct result of performing him contractual obligations, then yes they would of course have to pay him, just like anyone else that gets injured while doing so.

Pretty sure that is not the case though.

[tony-soprano]

Love Shilly, but Flames won’t miss him much if he’s gone. Had a great year with Tanev, fan base loves him, and he brings a lot of speed to the backend.

Bit of a weird situation with trying to figure out a contract with him, and if management doesn’t want to take that chance it’s fine. Wish him the best and move on.

[Number 39]

If the hang up is that he wants term thats unfortunate because thats the last thing the Flames should be offering him right now. Based on the last 2 years thats far too risky and the sample size post return is far too small. I can’t imagine any other GM is lining up to offer him signifigant term either.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Could they not just have him suspended for failure to report to the team? His contract would simply be put on hold until he was able to be with the club so that he would lose no income. At that point they would start paying him again. Instead they literally paid him while he was receiving help and for a year and a half.

Now if the illness was a direct result of performing him contractual obligations, then yes they would of course have to pay him, just like anyone else that gets injured while doing so.

Pretty sure that is not the case though.

No, he could not be suspended.

It would be no different than if he was diagnosed with cancer.

Mental illness is no different than every other sickness or disease.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Number 39

If the hang up is that he wants term thats unfortunate because thats the last thing the Flames should be offering him right now. Based on the last 2 years thats far too risky and the sample size post return is far too small. I can’t imagine any other GM is lining up to offer him signifigant term either.

Depend what term is. If he wants 2 years, someone will likely give him that.

Hard to know without information on the impasse.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I've read page 1 and skipped to page 7.

I wish Kyllington the best.

I'd love to see him back.

But I take this as testing the market, but the whole market not just the NHL. Perhaps he ends up in Europe closer to home.

He needs to find a place where he can play and ensure his heads space is cared for.

Maybe that's not Calgary (maybe it is) that's not a shot against the team or the city. It just means that it may not be for him (heck Calgary isn't the city for me either).

My hope is that if he doesn't resign, where ever he ends up that the Flames organization will always support him as they have Malarchuck.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Mindtravellee

Wasn't Mironmanov playing more minutes than Kylington when he joined Calgary? I think his acquisition made retaining Kylington less needed.

No, there are plenty of room on the team for a defenseman or 2 or 3.


That said there are plenty of dmen out there, Kylington is not special any more. He comes with tons of on and off ice risks

[PepsiFree]

The fact that people talk about “booing” Kylington, some people actually jump into to defend stuff like that, and others throw the player under the bus in other ways and use his mental health as a prop for why they should get their way is probably one of the reasons why this fan base gets so little respect around the league.

Conroy says this might go into free agency, and people immediately target Kylington for being in the wrong and use his mental health as a reason he owes us. That’s gross stuff. And no, it’s not a “perfectly understandable opinion” lol.

This is the kind of stuff we mock fanbases like the Oilers for and pretend we’re better than.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The fact that people talk about “booing” Kylington, some people actually jump into to defend stuff like that, and others throw the player under the bus in other ways and use his mental health as a prop for why they should get their way is probably one of the reasons why this fan base gets so little respect around the league.

Conroy says this might go into free agency, and people immediately target Kylington for being in the wrong and use his mental health as a reason he owes us. That’s gross stuff. And no, it’s not a “perfectly understandable opinion” lol.

This is the kind of stuff we mock fanbases like the Oilers for and pretend we’re better than.

Yup. Disappointing. If (and it's still an if) Kylington explores free agency, he's earned that right (more than most, frankly, considering the challenges he's overcome). Hope he signs here though. Love the player.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't begrudge him. Kylington only has a certain amount of time left to play out his career - it is more than half-over since turning pro, right? I mean, it is likely half-over at least. If he can cash-in somewhere, all the power to him.


I am curious as to whether he has more runway left to develop, or if it has been eaten up already. Certainly in terms of games played, he has a lot more room to improve, but he is 27. He had that covid bubble year where he didn't play games and just practiced. Treliving would acquire depth defencemen and push him out of the lineup and into the health-scratch spot. Then that long time away from the game dealing with his personal issues. That's a lot of playing time.



When the Flames drafted him, I was pretty high on him. I thought he had the #1/2 ceiling - maybe not rock for the pairing, but perhaps a good #2 who drives offence. Now I see him more as a #4. Can he be a good #3? I don't know. I see him as a #4 who probably needs a solid partner, especially one with a bit of size. He may not be a finished product given his games played, but I would think he is a lot closer to being a finished product than a guy with a lot more development potential given his age and overall lack of playing time over the years.


I hope he gets a long term, high dollar contract somewhere if he can get it. Otherwise, I would welcome him back on a short-term deal. I don't look at this as him owing the Flames anything. Flames got good press. Be a good organization like this, and players notice it and are willing to stay here as they know they will be taken care of.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Could they not just have him suspended for failure to report to the team? His contract would simply be put on hold until he was able to be with the club so that he would lose no income. At that point they would start paying him again. Instead they literally paid him while he was receiving help and for a year and a half.

Now if the illness was a direct result of performing him contractual obligations, then yes they would of course have to pay him, just like anyone else that gets injured while doing so.

Pretty sure that is not the case though.

Has a player in any sport ever been suspended for contracting a major illness and being unable to play?

In some sports, mental health has been used a s a dubious justification when a player goes AWOL but I haven't heard that ever here. In fact, he showed up at training camp and the team deemed him not yet ready to play.

[Ped]

Didn't Patrik berglund come out later and say he had mental issues? Buffalo terminated his contract.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The fact that people talk about “booing” Kylington, some people actually jump into to defend stuff like that, and others throw the player under the bus in other ways and use his mental health as a prop for why they should get their way is probably one of the reasons why this fan base gets so little respect around the league.

Conroy says this might go into free agency, and people immediately target Kylington for being in the wrong and use his mental health as a reason he owes us. That’s gross stuff. And no, it’s not a “perfectly understandable opinion” lol.

This is the kind of stuff we mock fanbases like the Oilers for and pretend we’re better than.

citation needed here

[Goriders]

My guess is he got low balled by the conman.

[Fire]

It's probably better for Kylington to move on anyway. In 5 years when the Flames are on the way back to respectibilty they should have plenty of offensive puck moving available.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

Love Shilly, but Flames won’t miss him much if he’s gone. Had a great year with Tanev, fan base loves him, and he brings a lot of speed to the backend.

Bit of a weird situation with trying to figure out a contract with him, and if management doesn’t want to take that chance it’s fine. Wish him the best and move on.

Defence is one if the areas we still have a surplus of young prospects. If none of them are quite ready there are always journeymen vets who can be plugged in for a year or two until they are.

We also have $29 mill of cap space burning a hole in our pocket.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Ped

Didn't Patrik berglund come out later and say he had mental issues? Buffalo terminated his contract.

Berglund walked away from the team. Didn't even tell the team or players anything at all. Just left.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ped

Didn't Patrik berglund come out later and say he had mental issues? Buffalo terminated his contract.

Maybe, but he didn’t say it then.

For the record at the time, he was simply a player who walked away from the game. Buffalo had every legal right to terminate his contract.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Berglund walked away from the team. Didn't even tell the team or players anything at all. Just left.

That's not an indication of having some mental issues?

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Could they not just have him suspended for failure to report to the team? His contract would simply be put on hold until he was able to be with the club so that he would lose no income. At that point they would start paying him again. Instead they literally paid him while he was receiving help and for a year and a half.

Now if the illness was a direct result of performing him contractual obligations, then yes they would of course have to pay him, just like anyone else that gets injured while doing so.

Pretty sure that is not the case though.

This has been debated many times already.

The Flames agreed for him to not show up so no they couldn't have suspended him after agreeing that he doesn't report.

If the Flames insisted he show up and he didn't then that's a different story. A story that didn't happen.

The Flames couldn't have suspended Kylington.