[GT] 2024 NHL Draft - Round 1 - 5pm MT - SN, ESPN

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by FBI

Sorry, I’m guessing 1 in 1000 people would still call Bedard a prospect.

No apologizing

[SixtySix]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And if they are never informed? Is there an official 'you are now a full time NHLer' ceremony that I was unaware of?

bedard's ceremony was probably his 4 point game on Nov 9th. idk man it seems like you're being wilfully obtuse about this. every normal person can differentiate between players who have successfully graduated to full-time NHLer and those who haven't. if it's not blatantly obvious then it's safe to say they're still a prospect. no matter how much you want to nitpick this, it's the best way to define prospect and 1000% more sensible than going by age or any system that considers Connor Bedard as a prospect


if someone was to write a list of the best Blackhawks prospects and put Bedard as #1 that means they're using an extremely loose (and incorrect) definition of prospect

[Jay Random]

Some lists will include Bedard this summer, I'm sure – but those are explicitly lists of the best players aged X and under, not lists of prospects as such.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SixtySix

bedard's ceremony was probably his 4 point game on Nov 9th. idk man it seems like you're being wilfully obtuse about this. every normal person can differentiate between players who have successfully graduated to full-time NHLer and those who haven't. if it's not blatantly obvious then it's safe to say they're still a prospect. no matter how much you want to nitpick this, it's the best way to define prospect and 1000% more sensible than going by age or any system that considers Connor Bedard as a prospect


if someone was to write a list of the best Blackhawks prospects and put Bedard as #1 that means they're using an extremely loose (and incorrect) definition of prospect

You and Pepsi keep using 'full time NHLer' like it is a predetermined and agreed-upon entity. If it were, all the prospect rankings would be the same. They are not. Because 'full time NHLer' isn't knowable until after the fact. So instead they use a set number of games played as a proxy for full time NHLer - something they choose completely arbitrarily.

I guess they are not normal people.

But I am glad that you are 100% certain about something that isn't 100% certain.

I am done with this conversation.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Some lists will include Bedard this summer, I'm sure – but those are explicitly lists of the best players aged X and under, not lists of prospects as such.

And why do they use age I wonder?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You and Pepsi keep using 'full time NHLer' like it is a predetermined and agreed-upon entity. If it were, all the prospect rankings would be the same. They are not. Because 'full time NHLer' isn't knowable until after the fact.

I'm sure Bedard is worried about getting sent back to the WHL next season.

[SixtySix]

it's a post-determined entity. when a player starts playing in the NHL full-time that means that they've now transitioned from prospect to full-timer. these holy prospect ranking texts you speak of either incorrectly include NHLers or, most likely, are actually lists of young players and not prospects


best players 23 and under =/= best prospects

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And why do they use age I wonder?

Because they are measuring something different.

If you want to know what players a team has in the pipeline who may make the roster in future years, you look at prospects. If you want to know what players a team has that are young enough to be part of the long-term future, you look at age. Each has its uses. They aren't interchangeable.

[DoubleK]

Ranked #7 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING
Ranked #5 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #8 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE
Ranked #7 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #14 by THN/FERRARI
Ranked #8 by THN/KENNEDY
Ranked #11 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #8 by FLOHOCKEY/CHRIS PETERS
Ranked #7 by FCHOCKEY
Ranked #4 by DAILY FACEOFF
Ranked #5 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #11 by HPR/MALLOY
Ranked #4 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY
Ranked #6 by SPORTSNET/COSENTINO
Ranked #7 by SPORTSNET/BUKALA
Ranked #10 by RECRUIT SCOUTING
Ranked #4 by DOBBERPROSPECTS
Ranked #8 by SMAHT SCOUTING

Can someone please remind me if anyone does any analysis on these predictions to see who does the best on average?

I thought I saw something similar from years past, but I cannot find it anywhere.

[GreenLantern2814]

We just drafted Quinn Hughes 2.0 and you all are quibbling about the definition of prospects.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

We just drafted Quinn Hughes 2.0 and you all are quibbling about the definition of prospects.

It's the Flames. He's not Quinn Hughes 2.0 until he's Quinn Hughes 2.0.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

We just drafted Quinn Hughes 2.0 and you all are quibbling about the definition of prospects.

It is funny but it's something to read if you're stuck in an airport.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Tibnadian_tpd

I cannot get behind the drafting of Aryom Levshunov by the Blackhawks at number 2. I think he could be a solid but unspectacular player, and it's just too high to take him at that spot. I think the Blackhawks are going to look back on this draft and regret seeing many players they should have taken ahead of Levshunov, such as Demidov, Parekh and Buium.

He was the consensus #2/3 pick by most experts and considered the best dman in a draft full of great dmen. I get the Demidov argument, it was a toss up, but by drafting Levshunov, it pushes their dmen down one spot and might well solidify their dmen roster for years to come.

I didn’t see one expert pan the pick, just the opposite.

[FlamesAddiction]

It's hilarious that Edmonton had to get into there and get the 32nd pick OA so that they could role play being the Stanley Cup champs and pick last in the 1st round.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I enjoy a conversation, but #### like this is just so tiring.

It is ruining this site, IMO

If you hold a stubborn opinion where you’re ignoring a half dozen people explaining why you’re objectively wrong and you can’t handle someone telling you to “go to bed” without whining about the downfall of the website you’re on…

…then it was probably time to go to bed.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If you hold a stubborn opinion where you’re ignoring a half dozen people explaining why you’re objectively wrong and you can’t handle someone telling you to “go to bed” without whining about the downfall of the website you’re on…

…then it was probably time to go to bed.

Back at it this morning? Ataboy! Keep fighting the good fight!

[TheIronMaiden]

6 picks in the next three rounds. Let's goo!!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Back at it this morning? Ataboy! Keep fighting the good fight!

Yeah, I went to bed and now I’m ready for two. Reporting for pointless argument duty, sir!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah, I went to bed and now I’m ready for two. Reporting for pointless argument duty, sir!

Good stuff - looking forward to it!

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

We just drafted Quinn Hughes 2.0 and you all are quibbling about the definition of prospects.

Where are people seeing the Quinn hughes comparison? I saw the video where they compare them and really I don't see them similar at all.

Their skating is so different. Their stick handling is different. Hughes looks smaller on the ice and seems to go around guys with his skating but doesn't stick handle much unless he's going to the outside.

I see Parekh more similar to Makar where he uses head fakes a lot and stick handles to the inside more and gets shots through.

Hughes has a hard time getting shots through from the point. He was absolutely useless against the Oilers shooting from the point.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Where are people seeing the Quinn hughes comparison? I saw the video where they compare them and really I don't see them similar at all.

Their skating is so different. Their stick handling is different. Hughes looks smaller on the ice and seems to go around guys with his skating but doesn't stick handle much unless he's going to the outside.

I see Parekh more similar to Makar where he uses head fakes a lot and stick handles to the inside more and gets shots through.

Hughes has a hard time getting shots through from the point. He was absolutely useless against the Canucks shooting from the point.

This might be your challenge here. He’s supposed to be shooting the other direction you know?