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[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

And how do you address this problem? The main source of it is due to the mobility of Canadian doctors to migrate to the US and its for-profit health system.

Call me a communist, but I think that the medical system would really benefit from using the interim system to get Doctors into the Rural areas, maybe offering some kind of break on thier student loans if they volunteer to put off thier plastic surgery careers to spend a year or two in moose jaw.

Or we could press gang them into service

[Cowboy89]

As far as any solutions go. I think the ones with the highest probability of actually suceeding are ones in which incentives are provided to doctors as opposed to restrictive laws and the like. If you do things to force doctors to do things inline with our needs without additional comporable incentives then potential university students will look at a doctor who was in school taking out loans paying high tuition until age 27 making the same money out of school as some punk 22 year old engineering or business undergraduate and the amount of qualified doctors graduating will decline and the system will die.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I believe a lot of this is due to the American embargo and collapse of the USSR. USSR used to help ship a lot of goods to Cuba, but when it collapsed all those shipments stopped.

It has everything to do with the trade embargo. But the part of the trade embargo that most people don't seem to know about is one that hurts them a lot too. I thought the trade embargo would just limit American ships from trading with Cuba. But it's any ship that has America on it's planned path of travel. Pretty much every ship that travels to the Caribbean area stops in Miami. And if a ship has Cuba on it's schedule it is not allowed to stop in the US. And since everyone trades or stops in the US, it really limits the trading with Cuba. The US is the largest cause of Cuba's problems, but of course it could be argued that Cuba did it to itself.

Anyways, that was a little off topic. Just thought I would give that little tidbit if anyone was interested.

[HOZ]

Lets be honest here. This is a Michael Moore movie. Words like in-depth, integrity, even-handedness, fairness, and above all honesty have no part in this movie.

Come one..we're not from Flint Michigan anymore!

[AaronSJ]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Why was a machine, for which it seems there is so much demand, sitting unused for so long?

With imaging delays (CT, MRI, etc.), the problem is often due to a lack of technical staff who can operate the machines, interpret the results, etc... or a lack of funding to pay these people. The demand for medical imaging has exploded, and so has the demand for trained technical personnel... but there just aren't enough people (and enough money... not sure which is the bigger issue) to make full use of these machines... so they sit empty, and patients wait...

The advent of "private imaging" centres (like Canada Diagnostic) has only HURT this problem in my opinion, as they are able to offer more competitive wages to the limited number of MRI/CT techs and thus lure them from the "public system". The sad thing is that some hospitals in Canada are contracting out their unused MRIs/CTs to private clinics during evenings and weekends... further compounding their own problems.

I've heard that doctors have limits set on the amount of time that they are allowed to bill for. Does anyone know about this?

That is correct, although the rules vary widely by province and speciality, and have been changing with all the public pressure on wait-times. Essentially, physicians often have annual limits on the amounts that they can bill in a given year. The problem usually arises when a specialist sees a large amount of complex cases, which have higher "reimbursement rates", and thus cause the physician to reach their annual limit before 12 months. Usually, the physician will plan his/her practice appropriately... however I know a couple of guys who will practice for 9 or 10 months, then vacation until the new fiscal year. Dumb, isn't it? Fortunately, I think this is changing for the better due to increased public pressure.

[Tron_fdc]

Get doctors to sign an agreement that states they have to stay in the province they went to school for x amount of years, and I'm all for subsidizing the education.

Without that, you'll be training doctors for Asia, USA, wherever, because it's free to be schooled in Alberta.

I've never really understood why they don't do this in the first place (on all degrees). Raise the cost of schooling for students who don't intend to stick around, and subsidize the education for people who will. It doesn't solve the problem long term, but it at least keeps people around when they graduate.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Lets be honest here. This is a Michael Moore movie. Words like in-depth, integrity, even-handedness, fairness, and above all honesty have no part in this movie.

Come one..we're not from Flint Michigan anymore!

Knew that was coming. I'm surprised it took only 2 pages before someone took a vacant attack at Moore.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Knew that was coming. I'm surprised it took only 2 pages before someone took a vacant attack at Moore.

Its hardly vacant considering Moore's liberal defintion concerning truth in film making. But until the film is actually watched the attack might be premature.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Knew that was coming. I'm surprised it took only 2 pages before someone took a vacant attack at Moore.

Well, considering the source, I'm not very surprised.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its hardly vacant considering Moore's liberal defintion concerning truth in film making. But until the film is actually watched the attack might be premature.

The facts Moore cites typically hold water... it's the method in which he presents them that drives me up the wall. As was said earlier, Moore uses emotional manipulation a little too much to emphasize his arguments. Usually what his films are arguing for have enough strength on their own without the lame attempts at rhetorical spinning.

No one should be taking any film as "truth" in the first place without reasoned consideration of the sources and the arguments made. Just like reading a newspaper or any other print medium.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I've never really understood why they don't do this in the first place (on all degrees). Raise the cost of schooling for students who don't intend to stick around, and subsidize the education for people who will. It doesn't solve the problem long term, but it at least keeps people around when they graduate.

They are or are considering doing it in Nova Scotia, but for all students...those students who are "home grown" and plan to stay get a good couple of hundred bucks off their tuition, I believe. Or are supposed to or might.

I'm just a wealth of information today . (sorry, I'm just too lazy to look it up as well! brain dead from school work).

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its hardly vacant considering Moore's liberal defintion concerning truth in film making. But until the film is actually watched the attack might be premature.

Vacant in that no one was using words "like in-depth, integrity, even-handedness, fairness, and above all honesty have no part in this movie" in this thread. No one is saying Moore is fair, balanced etc, why attack the position no one has taken? I think everyone agrees that Moore has a definitely slant in his movies. But no need to turn this thread into a Moore hate fest.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by llama64

The facts Moore cites typically hold water... it's the method in which he presents them that drives me up the wall. As was said earlier, Moore uses emotional manipulation a little too much to emphasize his arguments. Usually what his films are arguing for have enough strength on their own without the lame attempts at rhetorical spinning.

No one should be taking any film as "truth" in the first place without reasoned consideration of the sources and the arguments made. Just like reading a newspaper or any other print medium.

I think it does go further then that, I'd have to wait until I have time, but there have been some outright non truths in his films, combined with some pretty heavy editing to fit interviews and stories to his films.

From a technical standpoint Moore is an exceptional film maker, I just have a lot of problems with his content.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Vacant in that no one was using words "like in-depth, integrity, even-handedness, fairness, and above all honesty have no part in this movie" in this thread. No is saying Moore is fair, why attack the position no is taking. I think everyone agrees that Moore has a definitely slant in his movies. But no need to turn this thread into a Moore hate fest.

Um where did you get the fact that I was turning this into a Moore hate fest.

However I think that in terms of fairness, you have to take his films with a pretty big grain of salt.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

However I think that in terms of fairness, you have to take his films with a pretty big grain of salt.

Yes, you do. But you also have to do that with all media - filmakers, networks, news casts, etc...whatever the case may be. They all have agendas and/or viewpoints, to varying degrees, that they would like to advance.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Um where did you get the fact that I was turning this into a Moore hate fest.

I wasn't say you were. Someone else in this thread I think was looking to start it.

However I think that in terms of fairness, you have to take his films with a pretty big grain of salt.

Agreed. His films could be a good starting point for people. But they definitely need to go out and find more information themselves. Taking them at face value is only getting one side of the issue.

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Lets be honest here. This is a Michael Moore movie. Words like in-depth, integrity, even-handedness, fairness, and above all honesty have no part in this movie.

Come one..we're not from Flint Michigan anymore!

I seem to remember you calling out Lanny for using the ad hominem attack in the thread about the 'Great Global Warming Swindle' thread. And a quick search, shows this is true. Both quotes below are from you.

Lanny I did attack the gist of your post. The one I responded to. You list their affiliation with big oil and concluded that their ideas are false by association. Ad hominem - the attack on the person and not his ideas. Pure Lanny. You do it all the time. I just pointed it out....again.

Lanny when faced with opposition pulls out the ad hominem attack to defend whatever position he stands on. Those people's work and thoughts are wrong by their association with this or that group. I quoted the message where he blatantly does so.

Perhaps if your an opponent of the ad hominem attack, you should refrain from using it yourself.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by BlackEleven

Perhaps if your an opponent of the ad hominem attack, you should refrain from using it yourself.

Ooopsie....

[ken0042]

Let's keep this on topic folks.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by BlackEleven

I seem to remember you calling out Lanny for using the ad hominem attack in the thread about the 'Great Global Warming Swindle' thread. And a quick search, shows this is true. Both quotes below are from you.





Perhaps if your an opponent of the ad hominem attack, you should refrain from using it yourself.

Umm.... maybe you should try and understand my quotes before trolling me.

I did attack Mikey's movie quality. He does not even have the slightest integriy, honesty or fairness whatsoever. (Attacking the quality of the movie)

I didn't say his movie sucks because he is a champaigne-socialist wanker and hypocrit that lives in a 80,000 a month apartment in Manhanttan. (ad-hominem)

Understand?