American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Ozy_Flame]

Man, some of the doomerism being spouted here make it seem like suddenly Trump has flipped a bunch of Democrats.

If anything, the whole thing just made more people avoid voting all together.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Man, some of the doomerism being spouted here make it seem like suddenly Trump has flipped a bunch of Democrats.

If anything, the whole thing just made more people avoid voting all together.

That's also a loss. Republicans don't avoid voting.

[Ozy_Flame]

Disagree. MAGA doesn't avoid voting.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Disagree. MAGA doesn't avoid voting.

This is possible. Maybe.
There are plenty of Republicans who despise Trump.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I'd agree if there was any evidence that they tried to go through back channels and convince Biden not to run again, but there is absolutely zero indication that that happened over the last few years. It was clear even 2 years ago that Biden was lagging generic Democrats and down ballot candidates, so they should have started the process then. Yeah, it would've been pretty unprecedented, but so is an 81 year old Presidential candidate in cognitive decline.

Who are ‘they’?

[iggy_oi]

Replace Biden now please. Too much is at stake.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Who are ‘they’?

DNC, other senior Democratic leadership, donors, advisors, etc. Basically the party establishment who largely dictates how things play out within the Democratic party.

It didn't take a genius to think that some sort of succession plan for a President who was 77 years old and in cognitive decline at the start of his first term would have been a good idea. But there are no indications that they did anything of the sort, even while Biden's approval rating sunk in to the 30s and stayed there for the last 2 years. They've basically plugged their ears and hoped for the best.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by activeStick

https://twitter.com/user/status/1806675647403536393

When Harris joined the Biden team, I thought the plan was for Biden to get the election win, then hand over the reins to her to run as an incumbent (sort of). Newsom does seem like a good choice though, but I'd be a little irritated if I was Harris as well. She might make for a good president, but could she win an election? They are two completely different skills.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by opendoor

DNC, other senior Democratic leadership, donors, advisors, etc. Basically the party establishment who largely dictates how things play out within the Democratic party.

It didn't take a genius to think that some sort of succession plan for a President who was 77 years old and in cognitive decline at the start of his first term would have been a good idea. But there are no indications that they did anything of the sort, even while Biden's approval rating sunk in to the 30s and stayed there for the last 2 years. They've basically plugged their ears and hoped for the best.

Biden would have to buy in. I don't think a 'they' exists, there is no mechanism, even within the party, to remove him other than to defeat him in the primaries but who does that against an imcumbant president?

You saw the tweet above, Jill is insistant that Joe run.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Trump just needs to be okish here and he will win

The debate, not the election. *fingers crossed

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

When Harris joined the Biden team, I thought the plan was for Biden to get the election win, then hand over the reins to her to run as an incumbent (sort of). Newsom does seem like a good choice though, but I'd be a little irritated if I was Harris as well. She might make for a good president, but could she win an election? They are two completely different skills.

If she weren't polling even worse than Biden she might have a legit beef. But they are very likely better off running Biden as is than her, so obviously any outsider will do better.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by opendoor

DNC, other senior Democratic leadership, donors, advisors, etc. Basically the party establishment who largely dictates how things play out within the Democratic party.

It didn't take a genius to think that some sort of succession plan for a President who was 77 years old and in cognitive decline at the start of his first term would have been a good idea. But there are no indications that they did anything of the sort, even while Biden's approval rating sunk in to the 30s and stayed there for the last 2 years. They've basically plugged their ears and hoped for the best.

To be fair, "plugging ears and hoping for the best" has been the strategy of all the ladies in Trump's life. Hasn't seemed to work well for any of them.

[dino7c]

either side replacing their guy would basically be a sure win...neither will though

how many people are actually undecided here? this debate will be long forgotten by November. Like Trump was convicted of 34 felonies a couple weeks back and he was down 2 points lol.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by dino7c

how many people are actually undecided here? this debate will be long forgotten by November.

Well there is another one in September. Will it be much better?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Well there is another one in September. Will it be much better?

no idea, again who is undecided realistically
"Weekend at Bernie's" Binden if you need to he is still better than Trump

I would replace both if I were in charge on either side but I don't think these "debates" make much difference.

[Dion]

A defiant Biden speaks out. Not good!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1806759521492008966

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Biden would have to buy in. I don't think a 'they' exists, there is no mechanism, even within the party, to remove him other than to defeat him in the primaries but who does that against an imcumbant president?

You saw the tweet above, Jill is insistant that Joe run.

No, obviously if Biden is absolutely hellbent on running again and won't listen to anyone, then there's not a ton they can do short of threatening to primary him like what happened with LBJ. But it doesn't sound like they even tried to influence him to not run for re-election. These conversations should have been happening 2-3 years ago, but they didn't and now it looks like it's blowing up in their faces.

Ultimately Democrats say this could be the end of US democracy if they don't win. Simultaneously, they've seemingly just sat back and hoped that an 81 year old in cognitive decline and who has a sub-40% approval rating will win the election. There's a real incongruence there and that facade is cracking.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Ultimately the Democrats arrogance was that "Anyone but Trump" would carry the day. So in their view running out a declining Biden was better than risking a primary where they would bloody up a new candidate. The only reason this race is even close is because of Trump, a generic R would be up 15 right now and we'd be talking about 1972/1984 levels of massacre.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

If she weren't polling even worse than Biden she might have a legit beef. But they are very likely better off running Biden as is than her, so obviously any outsider will do better.

I didn't realize she was polling worse than Biden. When she was running for the nomination for 2020, I thought she came across as a good candidate, but I haven't really followed her much since then.

[opendoor]

And really, even if one accepts that replacing Biden was completely impossible to achieve without making things worse, why are they letting him into a debate? They should be protecting him as much as possible to minimize the visibility of his cognitive issues. Keep him in situations where he doesn't have to think on his feet rather than exposing him like they did last night.