2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Anyone watching the BB coverage of the Mangiapane trade? Did Pinder just say Andersson floated his own name in trade rumours last year??

100% said just that, and go back and watch Boomer when he brings up Andersson...dude zooms in his camera and makes a bit of a face.

[Burn13]

Chabot is $8MM for another 4yrs?!!!

[Toonage]

Pinder also said, unsure of how close to the Andersson comment that he was very curious to see what happens with Skinner. What does he know?? lol

[Royle9]

"Chaotic" was the word used most in what was shared with me here moments ago. Not a single person could put their phone away during a wonderful meal, but good thing the reservation has no time limit as the table is still full. Caviar devilled eggs were the #1 hit.

Trade Front:

Reiterated the Mangiapane trade was long overdue, 28 w/ expiring contract just didn't fit long term. Felt they were probably going to have to retain however things changed just within the afternoon hours today and a 2nd was a fantastic acquisition.

Most aren't going to like this one, but with the abundance of 2nd and 3rd round picks here the Flames are interested in using a few of these to move up or potentially find a change of scenery target in that 18-25 year old range BUT only if it makes sense. They aren't scared to use these picks either.

There's been some chatter on Rasmus vs Weegar as to who's more likely to move here and the sense I'm getting is that Calgary feels Weegar fits better long term. There's a sense that Rasmus might not want to stick it out for a rebuild and so the Flames are listening on him but not necessarily shopping. His contract and cap hit make him very palatable for a plethora of teams, one to keep an eye on is Ottawa.

Wildcard name to keep an eye on - Coleman
Nothing imminent, but there's certainly significant interest should the Flames want to continue to tear this down.

Draft front:

Flames list is finalized, will change based on on selections 1-8 obviously.
Sense is Demidov remains their "dream" scenario and there's a sense he's likely to fall outside of the top 3.
Flames have 5 players they are locked in on at 9, 2 defense and 3 forwards, but not likely to draft for position so BPA.

#1 priority is still to move up in the draft, with priority going to the 28th pick still and the flames wanting to find a way to get into the 12-20 range.
Flames not afraid to weaponize the almost 30M in cap-space here if it helps get them there.

Beckett Sennecke seems to be the fastest riser in the last 24 hours in terms of teams interested in the top 10.
Levshunov pretty much a lock for the Blackhawks at 2 which means the draft now starts at 3 where I know some have said Silayev is very much a top target for Anaheim but I think that might change.
One of Demidov/Lindstrom will make it to 5 which are the top targets for MTL.

UFA Front

Expect Flames to target both a goalie and defenseman here as a priority July 1st.
Still feel like Dumba is a main target on the backend
Copley the main target in net, though he may garner more interest than the Flames want to pay a 3rd string goalie.
Expectation is the Flames will be in on both DeBrusk and Duclair, however once again Craig is not interested in long term deals so we're looking at 2-4 years with likely a higher AAV.

Long winded post so I apologize, was a lot to share here in a short amount of time. I dont expect I'll get another big update until we're live tomorrow if anything, but I've asked to be kept posted with anything game breaking in Flames land.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by Royle9

"Chaotic" was the word used most in what was shared with me here moments ago. Not a single person could put their phone away during a wonderful meal, but good thing the reservation has no time limit as the table is still full. Caviar devilled eggs were the #1 hit.

Trade Front:

Reiterated the Mangiapane trade was long overdue, 28 w/ expiring contract just didn't fit long term. Felt they were probably going to have to retain however things changed just within the afternoon hours today and a 2nd was a fantastic acquisition.

Most aren't going to like this one, but with the abundance of 2nd and 3rd round picks here the Flames are interested in using a few of these to move up or potentially find a change of scenery target in that 18-25 year old range BUT only if it makes sense. They aren't scared to use these picks either.

There's been some chatter on Rasmus vs Weegar as to who's more likely to move here and the sense I'm getting is that Calgary feels Weegar fits better long term. There's a sense that Rasmus might not want to stick it out for a rebuild and so the Flames are listening on him but not necessarily shopping. His contract and cap hit make him very palatable for a plethora of teams, one to keep an eye on is Ottawa.

Wildcard name to keep an eye on - Coleman
Nothing imminent, but there's certainly significant interest should the Flames want to continue to tear this down.

Draft front:

Flames list is finalized, will change based on on selections 1-8 obviously.
Sense is Demidov remains their "dream" scenario and there's a sense he's likely to fall outside of the top 3.
Flames have 5 players they are locked in on at 9, 2 defense and 3 forwards, but not likely to draft for position so BPA.

#1 priority is still to move up in the draft, with priority going to the 28th pick still and the flames wanting to find a way to get into the 12-20 range.
Flames not afraid to weaponize the almost 30M in cap-space here if it helps get them there.

Beckett Sennecke seems to be the fastest riser in the last 24 hours in terms of teams interested in the top 10.
Levshunov pretty much a lock for the Blackhawks at 2 which means the draft now starts at 3 where I know some have said Silayev is very much a top target for Anaheim but I think that might change.
One of Demidov/Lindstrom will make it to 5 which are the top targets for MTL.

UFA Front

Expect Flames to target both a goalie and defenseman here as a priority July 1st.
Still feel like Dumba is a main target on the backend
Copley the main target in net, though he may garner more interest than the Flames want to pay a 3rd string goalie.
Expectation is the Flames will be in on both DeBrusk and Duclair, however once again Craig is not interested in long term deals so we're looking at 2-4 years with likely a higher AAV.

Long winded post so I apologize, was a lot to share here in a short amount of time. I dont expect I'll get another big update until we're live tomorrow if anything, but I've asked to be kept posted with anything game breaking in Flames land.

I hope we sign debrusk, just so those poostains and their fans up north can cry for the term that we stole their guy again

Hell, they have the most recent experience with being a bridesmaid. Losers

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[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

I can only hope

Taking Skinner for 3 years at 9 million per requires the equivalent of a 6th overall pick per puckpedia in cap relief.

Source: https://puckpedia.com/CapRelief?cap_...ef_player=3877

So don't think we have to give anything back for saving Buffalo 18 million in cap over next 6 years if they buy him out which is their alternative.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Taking Skinner for 3 years at 9 million per requires the equivalent of a 6th overall pick per puckpedia in cap relief.

Source: https://puckpedia.com/CapRelief?cap_...ef_player=3877

So don't think we have to give anything back for saving Buffalo 18 million in cap over next 6 years if they buy him out which is their alternative.

I don't think Buffalo has a choice here, Skinner has a NMC, he would rather the buyout.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think Buffalo has a choice here, Skinner has a NMC, he would rather the buyout.

True but would the Flames agree to the buyout as part of a trade? That would sure put to rest that Edwards is a tight-wad.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by D as in David

True but would the Flames agree to the buyout as part of a trade? That would sure put to rest that Edwards is a tight-wad.

Ya, I don't see Edwards going for that.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by D as in David

True but would the Flames agree to the buyout as part of a trade? That would sure put to rest that Edwards is a tight-wad.

Thats just not good.

[ComixZone]

This is all I see when I read your post:

Originally Posted by Royle9

"Chaotic" was the word used most in what was shared with me here moments ago. Not a single person could put their phone away during a wonderful meal, but good thing the reservation has no time limit as the table is still full. Caviar devilled eggs were the #1 hit.

Trade Front:


Draft front:


UFA Front

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Royle9

"Chaotic" was the word used most in what was shared with me here moments ago. Not a single person could put their phone away during a wonderful meal, but good thing the reservation has no time limit as the table is still full. Caviar devilled eggs were the #1 hit.

Trade Front:

Reiterated the Mangiapane trade was long overdue, 28 w/ expiring contract just didn't fit long term. Felt they were probably going to have to retain however things changed just within the afternoon hours today and a 2nd was a fantastic acquisition.

Most aren't going to like this one, but with the abundance of 2nd and 3rd round picks here the Flames are interested in using a few of these to move up or potentially find a change of scenery target in that 18-25 year old range BUT only if it makes sense. They aren't scared to use these picks either.

There's been some chatter on Rasmus vs Weegar as to who's more likely to move here and the sense I'm getting is that Calgary feels Weegar fits better long term. There's a sense that Rasmus might not want to stick it out for a rebuild and so the Flames are listening on him but not necessarily shopping. His contract and cap hit make him very palatable for a plethora of teams, one to keep an eye on is Ottawa.

Wildcard name to keep an eye on - Coleman
Nothing imminent, but there's certainly significant interest should the Flames want to continue to tear this down.

Draft front:

Flames list is finalized, will change based on on selections 1-8 obviously.
Sense is Demidov remains their "dream" scenario and there's a sense he's likely to fall outside of the top 3.
Flames have 5 players they are locked in on at 9, 2 defense and 3 forwards, but not likely to draft for position so BPA.

#1 priority is still to move up in the draft, with priority going to the 28th pick still and the flames wanting to find a way to get into the 12-20 range.
Flames not afraid to weaponize the almost 30M in cap-space here if it helps get them there.

Beckett Sennecke seems to be the fastest riser in the last 24 hours in terms of teams interested in the top 10.
Levshunov pretty much a lock for the Blackhawks at 2 which means the draft now starts at 3 where I know some have said Silayev is very much a top target for Anaheim but I think that might change.
One of Demidov/Lindstrom will make it to 5 which are the top targets for MTL.

UFA Front

Expect Flames to target both a goalie and defenseman here as a priority July 1st.
Still feel like Dumba is a main target on the backend
Copley the main target in net, though he may garner more interest than the Flames want to pay a 3rd string goalie.
Expectation is the Flames will be in on both DeBrusk and Duclair, however once again Craig is not interested in long term deals so we're looking at 2-4 years with likely a higher AAV.

Long winded post so I apologize, was a lot to share here in a short amount of time. I dont expect I'll get another big update until we're live tomorrow if anything, but I've asked to be kept posted with anything game breaking in Flames land.

Thank you for the insights! Gotta think mang out could help Rasmus talks heat up. Would love to see another top half pick added using him.

[Enoch Root]

Royle9: thank you for these updates! Much appreciated

Diss and Sec too, of course. And everyone else who brings tidbits when they here them - best thing about CP, IMO

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Draft front:

Flames list is finalized, will change based on on selections 1-8 obviously.
.

This I do not understand.
Why should your list change?
If you have the top 9 guys in order on your list of how you would take them then it should not matter who takes what player at which place you just scratch the names off until the top guy remaining is who you pick.
Why would it change?
Why obviously?

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Taking Skinner for 3 years at 9 million per requires the equivalent of a 6th overall pick per puckpedia in cap relief.

Source: https://puckpedia.com/CapRelief?cap_...ef_player=3877

So don't think we have to give anything back for saving Buffalo 18 million in cap over next 6 years if they buy him out which is their alternative.

But I don't know if this considers the quality of the player. Skinner is decent, so only part of the cap hit is actually inefficient/dead cap.

I tried putting Dylan Cozens in, and it said that the cap relief would be the 3rd overall pick.

Skinner could probably be traded for assets during the last year of the deal.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by shutout

This I do not understand.
Why should your list change?
If you have the top 9 guys in order on your list of how you would take them then it should not matter who takes what player at which place you just scratch the names off until the top guy remaining is who you pick.
Why would it change?
Why obviously?

The list is set in that they have their targets at 9.
But every team usually tries to identify the other teams targets ahead of them, knowing it wont be 100% perfect but assumptions are made.
If one of the teams goes completely off the board 1-8 you need to adapt and potentially pivot if a guy who you thought would go in the top 5 is all of a sudden available.

At least this is how I interpret it.

Example:

Flames have 5 for 9th: (GUESSING) - Iginla, Catton, Lindstrom, Buium, Parekh - guys they think could be there at 9.

Draft starts - 4 or 5 of these guys go in the top say 6 and Demidov slips.
Flames adjust and try and swing to land him.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Taking Skinner for 3 years at 9 million per requires the equivalent of a 6th overall pick per puckpedia in cap relief.

Source: https://puckpedia.com/CapRelief?cap_...ef_player=3877

So don't think we have to give anything back for saving Buffalo 18 million in cap over next 6 years if they buy him out which is their alternative.

Word is a Skinner buyout is a done deal. The Athletic is so confident of it that their article today comparing team’s cap situations had a Skinner buyout factored into the BUF cap numbers.

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Originally Posted by Royle9

"Chaotic" was the word used most in what was shared with me here moments ago. Not a single person could put their phone away during a wonderful meal, but good thing the reservation has no time limit as the table is still full. Caviar devilled eggs were the #1 hit.

Trade Front:

Reiterated the Mangiapane trade was long overdue, 28 w/ expiring contract just didn't fit long term. Felt they were probably going to have to retain however things changed just within the afternoon hours today and a 2nd was a fantastic acquisition.

Most aren't going to like this one, but with the abundance of 2nd and 3rd round picks here the Flames are interested in using a few of these to move up or potentially find a change of scenery target in that 18-25 year old range BUT only if it makes sense. They aren't scared to use these picks either.

There's been some chatter on Rasmus vs Weegar as to who's more likely to move here and the sense I'm getting is that Calgary feels Weegar fits better long term. There's a sense that Rasmus might not want to stick it out for a rebuild and so the Flames are listening on him but not necessarily shopping. His contract and cap hit make him very palatable for a plethora of teams, one to keep an eye on is Ottawa.

Wildcard name to keep an eye on - Coleman
Nothing imminent, but there's certainly significant interest should the Flames want to continue to tear this down.

Draft front:

Flames list is finalized, will change based on on selections 1-8 obviously.
Sense is Demidov remains their "dream" scenario and there's a sense he's likely to fall outside of the top 3.
Flames have 5 players they are locked in on at 9, 2 defense and 3 forwards, but not likely to draft for position so BPA.

#1 priority is still to move up in the draft, with priority going to the 28th pick still and the flames wanting to find a way to get into the 12-20 range.
Flames not afraid to weaponize the almost 30M in cap-space here if it helps get them there.

Beckett Sennecke seems to be the fastest riser in the last 24 hours in terms of teams interested in the top 10.
Levshunov pretty much a lock for the Blackhawks at 2 which means the draft now starts at 3 where I know some have said Silayev is very much a top target for Anaheim but I think that might change.
One of Demidov/Lindstrom will make it to 5 which are the top targets for MTL.

UFA Front

Expect Flames to target both a goalie and defenseman here as a priority July 1st.
Still feel like Dumba is a main target on the backend
Copley the main target in net, though he may garner more interest than the Flames want to pay a 3rd string goalie.
Expectation is the Flames will be in on both DeBrusk and Duclair, however once again Craig is not interested in long term deals so we're looking at 2-4 years with likely a higher AAV.

Long winded post so I apologize, was a lot to share here in a short amount of time. I dont expect I'll get another big update until we're live tomorrow if anything, but I've asked to be kept posted with anything game breaking in Flames land.

This is great! Thanks, Royle9!

Stupid question: Is there such a thing as the Offer Sheet front? And is there any info on that?

I expect not, but maybe Conroy gets ruthless.

[stemit14]

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[Calgary4LIfe]

I doubt that the Flames would be able to grab Skinner as rumours do seem to point that Skinner won't waive and that he is going to force a buyout.

However, if we are talking hypotheticals, Flames shouldn't buy him out anyway. 3 seasons left at 9 million. Would Skinner have value with 3 seasons left at 4.5? Last year was a bit of a down year, but the last 3 seasons have looked like this:

2021-22 Buffalo Sabres NHL 80 33 30 63 42 -14
2022-23 Buffalo Sabres NHL 79 35 47 82 39 15
2023-24 Buffalo Sabres NHL 74 24 22 46 34 -2

That's not bad value for 4.5. If Conroy can't flip him right away, give him some PP time. Eat a year, and revisit the marketplace next off-season. Flames have cap room.

Anyway, just interesting to think about. They can get a sizeable asset for taking on this deal, but I think they would be able to trade him - if not right away, then down the road - at half-price. Those are pretty good numbers for 4.5 million. Like I said, it probably won't happen, but it is a good conversation to have.