2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

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Originally Posted by Parallex

... please don't hold Calgary as comparable to Winnipeg. Calgary is a wonderful beautiful city (most of the time) that I love and IMO if you were to give Canada an enema you'd stick the hose in Winnipeg.

Oh I don't disagree. But a US born college kid may not see it that way

[stemit14]

It’s exciting to hear all these potential trades for first round picks are out there right now. Risky move to pay the price to jump up to 4th overall in this draft. Not saying it’s a bad move - just risky considering most scouts have said they see a lot of variety in draft rankings in the top 10-12 prospects (besides Celebrini). That means a potentially greater chance than most years that the player picked at 9th overall could turn out better than the player picked at 4th overall.

Personally, I would prefer it if the flames make a trade to get another pick in the 6th to 12th overall range rather than trade up from 9th all the way to 4th. But if the flames really like someone around there, it could be worth it.

I’ll be extra greedy and want this:

Trade #1
To Columbus: 9th overall + 28th overall + 61st overall
To Calgary: 4th overall

Trade#2:
To Ottawa: Weegar + 41st overall + Pelletier
To Calgary: 7th overall

Draft Demidov or Lindstrom at 4th overall (whoever is available after Anaheim picks)
Draft Iginla at 7th overall (really hoping he is still there).

[Rhett44]

There is no way we trade Weegar. You can't just trade the entire team lol.

Rumors always come up around this time of the year. 99% of them don't actually happen.

[Tbull8]

Gotta wonder if the flames are inquiring about either 4 or 6. If both Lindstrom and Demidov are available at 5 for the habs, just try to get 6 from Utah and take whoever the Habs don’t take

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by stemit14

It’s exciting to hear all these potential trades for first round picks are out there right now. Risky move to pay the price to jump up to 4th overall in this draft. Not saying it’s a bad move - just risky considering most scouts have said they see a lot of variety in draft rankings in the top 10-12 prospects (besides Celebrini). That means a potentially greater chance than most years that the player picked at 9th overall could turn out better than the player picked at 4th overall.

Personally, I would prefer it if the flames make a trade to get another pick in the 6th to 12th overall range rather than trade up from 9th all the way to 4th. But if the flames really like someone around there, it could be worth it.

I’ll be extra greedy and want this:

Trade #1
To Columbus: 9th overall + 28th overall + 61st overall
To Calgary: 4th overall

Trade#2:
To Ottawa: Weegar + 41st overall + Pelletier
To Calgary: 7th overall

Draft Demidov or Lindstrom at 4th overall (whoever is available after Anaheim picks)
Draft Iginla at 7th overall (really hoping he is still there).

That seems like an enormous overpayment when the concensus picks from 3-10 are all over the map

[GullFoss]

If they trade enough players, maybe Huby will eventually just ask to have his contract nullified. He's never going to win here lmao.

Dare to dream!

[Roof-Daddy]

I don't think the Flames would want to move Weegar, but if he or his agent have expressed his desire to be elsewhere then it will likely happen. Conroy has said multiple times he wants players who want to be here.

Would really weaken the roster, but it would definitely be a case of selling high, and if it involved another top 10 pick coming to the Flames then that's decent for where we're currently at.

Also improves the chances of not getting screwed in the 2025 draft by the Treliving Monahan trade conditions with the Habs.

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Originally Posted by stemit14

I’ll be extra greedy and want this:

Trade #1
To Columbus: 9th overall + 28th overall + 61st overall
To Calgary: 4th overall

Trade#2:
To Ottawa: Weegar + 41st overall + Pelletier
To Calgary: 7th overall

Gross, huge overpays by the Flames for both of these imo.

Have no interest in paying 28th & 61st to move up 5 spots, that's insane.

Shouldn't need to add much to Weegar to get 7th, if anything. Really good dman you can comfortably play in any situation, signed full term at what will be a steal of a cap hit throughout.

[Roof-Daddy]

I salivate at the thought of coming out of this draft with one of Parekh/Zeev and Catton/Iginla/Lindstrom

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Icon

Gross, huge overpays by the Flames for both of these imo.

Have no interest in paying 28th & 61st to move up 5 spots, that's insane.

Shouldn't need to add much to Weegar to get 7th, if anything. Really good dman you can comfortably play in any situation, signed full term at what will be a steal of a cap hit throughout.

4th overall is possibly worth it. If the flames reallllly want Demidov then he’s not getting past Montreal.

[GullFoss]

I love the tear down. The more they tear down, the better chances of getting top 3 picks!

[saillias]

I don't really see Flames as having any combination of assets that allows us to move up without including the #9. Which kind of defeats the purpose.

The fanbase is having this debate about Andersson or even Weegar but probably neither gets a deal done. If either guy was 25 or under then it would get somewhere.

[Matty81]

4 for 9, 28 and 61 is an underpay according to the draft pick value calculator and would take another pick from Cgy to make it even

Historically at 4 you're more often getting a franchise cornerstone who drives play and closer to 10 a very good complimentary star. Obviously each draft is case by case, but I'd be fine with Calgary trading up to get Demidov or Lindstrom if they feel that's one of our new stars to build around.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Icon

I think that's smoke and mirrors.

It's a slightly nicer thing for him to say that ends up with the same result.

I think he's just exercising his available loophole to go to a more favorable destination. Granted he doesn't have a say in where that is, but he could just say the same there after the fact if he still doesn't like it.

Who knows I suppose, but I'd stay clear.

You could be right, many of the US college guys/development program seem to think Canada is a prison camp or something... my attitude if he is open to coming to a team like the Flames and its about playing time, is that if the Flames can come out of this draft with two future core pieces instead of just one, would be phenomenal, he looks like he might have that kind of upside

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Matty81

4 for 9, 28 and 61 is an underpay according to the draft pick value calculator and would take another pick from Cgy to make it even

Historically at 4 you're more often getting a franchise cornerstone who drives play and closer to 10 a very good complimentary star. Obviously each draft is case by case, but I'd be fine with Calgary trading up to get Demidov or Lindstrom if they feel that's one of our new stars to build around.

It's an overpay in a typical draft where there's a consensus top five and you're looking at a potential franchise piece (like last year). It's an off-your-rocker overpay in a draft where the guy you want at 3 has a chance to be available at 9 (or even 12).

[HitterD]

Apparently the Sabres have traded the 11th pick to SJ for the 14th and 42nd (From the Sabres PR Twitter/X). Strange to make a trade like that before the draft even starts and not knowing who is left on the board

Edit - now i see it got its own thread!

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

It's an overpay in a typical draft where there's a consensus top five and you're looking at a potential franchise piece (like last year). It's an off-your-rocker overpay in a draft where the guy you want at 3 has a chance to be available at 9 (or even 12).

Maybe - if you see Lindstrom and Demidov as the consensus next forward tier after Celebrini (with Sennecke getting some late consideration) and then Iginla, Catton, Helenius and Eisermann in a third tier maybe not though.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Flames' Vets:



Backlund is probably the only vet that prefers to stay here for the moment, as he does have notable personal records here. I am sure he would exchange those for a cup, but it is so hard to pick the right team. I can see him staying here until the deadline the year his contract expires. Here are the records that Backlund can achieve:


Points: He is 7th at 531 with the Flames. Suter is 6th with 564, Gaudreau 5th with 609, Nieuwendyk 4th at 616. MacInnis is 3rd with 822, so that's unreachable.


Games played: Backlund sits 2nd all-time on the Flames with 990. Jarome is 1st with 1219. He will have to stay healthy for the next two seasons, and then re-sign and play exactly 66 games of that following season to pull ahead of Jarome. Do-able, but tough.


Goals: Backlund has a chance to really shoot up the list here. He sits 9th with 200 goals. 9th is Gaudreau with 210, 8th is Monahan with 212, 7th is MacInnis with 213, 6th is McDonald with 215. Probably has a shot at Roberts (5th) with 257 if he stays healthy and doesn't regress too much. 4th is Nieuwendyk with 314, and out of reach.



Assists: Backlund sits at 7th with 331. He will catch Giordano at 6th who has 366. Don't think he can catch Gaudreau at 5th with 399, especially with less talented goal-scorers around him, but who knows. I would say Suter at 4th is likely out of reach with 436.


Penalty Minutes: Just for fun here. Backlund sits 26th. He will likely pass Sarich in 25th spot with 462. Backlund does already have a season of 76 PIMs, so Todd Simpson is in striking distance this season at 24th with 500, Musil with 505, Phaneuf at 522. I would figure if Backlund plays out these two seasons, and signs for an additional 3rd to become the all-time games played leader, with his regression he may end up taking more sticking penalties and interference penalties, and maybe get as high as Doug Riseborough at 17th with 583. I doubt he has enough runway to reach Tim Hunter (1st) with 2405 though!


Anyway, I think he probably stays and tries to hit the all-time games-played record. He wants to win a cup, and it was Conroy who sat him down and showed him the record books apparently, saying he can still achieve something special here in Calgary.


Rasmus probably has some loyalty to the franchise. He grew up here in Calgary's system. However, does he want to stay through a rebuild? That's questionable.


Everyone else - Kadri, Huberdeau, Weegar and Coleman - would probably prefer to move on at this stage. They may like Calgary as a city, they may like their teammates, the may like the team and how they are treated by the team, and they may like the fans and how it is here compared to some other markets like Toronto or Montreal. However, they each signed here because they thought they were signing with a competitive team with a legitimate shot at winning the cup (and got paid generously, obviously).



Weegar has the most value and it isn't even close. You can trade him for a good return.

Coleman may not have value given his age. It isn't a bad contract, but teams are always hesitant to trade for players with a lot of term left, unless it is a sweetheart deal. Tough contract to move without retention.
Kadri I think is impossible to move without retention. He turns 34 before the season starts, and has 5 more seasons left to go at 7 million. I expect regression. People keep saying that the cap is going to go up, so his deal won't matter, but I disagree. Deals like this is what forces managers to have to bridge a young guy sometimes, or have to include sweeteners to get rid of this deal, or buy him out and have dead space. When you already have Huberdeau's deal on the books, it is still going to be a big percentage.
Huberdeau - he is unmovable.



I would trade any of these that I could. Sign some other good vets on higher priced short-term deals to insulate the kids, especially Wolf. Take on other teams' bad contracts that are short term for sweeteners to insulate the kids. However, I would definitely be looking to move Kadri asap, I would be motivated to trade Coleman after his career season, and I would be listening on Andersson and Weegar right now.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Maybe - if you see Lindstrom and Demidov as the consensus next forward tier after Celebrini (with Sennecke getting some late consideration) and then Iginla, Catton, Helenius and Eisermann in a third tier maybe not though.

I guess. I really just don't like the idea of the Flames trading significant assets to move up a few spaces when there are so many comparably good players available in the top 10 -- and the Flames need high end prospects at every position.

[Pickle Juice]

I am a big believer in quality vs quantity. If the flames can somehow get themselves a couple of players within the top 10 of this draft and next year’s draft that would be a solid win.

Sure players will hit in the ladder part of the rounds but I would much rather take my chances on high potential draft picks and speed up the rebuild.