Edmonton is No Good XI: Mud, Sweatpants and Tiers

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town Hustler

Guarantee they pull a Vegas next season and have conveniently-timed injuries a la Stone so the Mctwits will be all fresh and ready.

Vegas just did this and almost missed the playoffs entirely, and they have a much more solidly constructed roster top to bottom than Edmonton does without their two stars. If the Oilers try this they could wind up with 75 points and a top 10 draft pick.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Vegas just did this and almost missed the playoffs entirely, and they have a much more solidly constructed roster top to bottom than Edmonton does without their two stars. If the Oilers try this they could wind up with 75 points and a top 10 draft pick.

But they wouldn't have the pick because it was already traded.

[direwolf]

Oiler fans and their media talking like it's a given that they'll be in the finals again next year, lol. Do they not realize how many things had to go right for them to do it this year? Sure, Florida and Tampa Bay have done it in recent years. But those teams were absolutely stacked with depth and didn't rely on only 2 players playing 30+ minutes/night to win them games.

Not to mention the Oilers fluked out with arguably the easiest path to the finals in decades. A crappy Kings team in round 1. A beat up Canucks team playing their 3rd string goalie in round 2. Opponents pulling complete no-shows in several games. I highly doubt that scenario is gonna be repeated next year.

[EldrickOnIce]

I bet Spector gets more clicks than any other Edmonton 'journalist'. They aren't firing him

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Oiler fans and their media talking like it's a given that they'll be in the finals again next year, lol. Do they not realize how many things had to go right for them to do it this year?

Not only do they not realize how much the stars had to align to get them to and through the playoffs like they were, they still consistently think that there is a league-wide conspiracy AGAINST the Coilers and that they had the success they did this year DESPITE that!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by jg13

These Edmonton media guys are out of their minds. Draisaitl would be leaving at least 10M on the table to stay in EDMONTON on this Staples proposed deal and McDavid can get 17.6M on a max contract anywhere he wants to play.

These guys gave everything they had to give the Oilers a cup and their management failed them. They don't owe the city / fans and especially the media anything else. Not to mention, McDavid is engaged and Draisaitl has been with the same person for 6 years.. they have a say.

My prediction? They both walk for nothing and we're back laughing at how the Oilers are worse than us well before the new arena opens.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1806192975300428187

Yes David, it makes sense. FOR YOU! But it does not make sense for them. At all.

And it isn't just that players' careers are short and they need to make as much as they can - that is absolutely true, and it's true for all players, including them.

But the other aspect of the argument is also flawed. Staples is arguing that they have a better chance of winning the cup if they stay - much like Spector's question where he asked Draisaitl about staying "where else would you have a better chance at the Cup?" (or something to that effect). Here's the thing: wherever they go, THAT team is then in a good - maybe the best - position to win the cup! Any team, not just EDM. If Draisaitl signed with CAR, CAR instantly becomes a cup favourite.

Listening to the Oiler media basically beg them to stay is just so pathetic. It's a business, guys. And these guys are going to do whatever they think is best for them. Put your big boy pants on, and deal with it like adults.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Draisaitl easily fetches 100m / 7 years on the open market. They’re fools if they think they can basically get an extra year at no cost. To entice him to stay it would need to be 13.5m at MINIMUM. And that’s not even factoring in McDavid who likely gets 16-17m, and rightfully so. Those two combined would account for roughly 30% down the road (assuming it eventually gets to 100m), just for easy math purposes. I highly doubt Draisaitl takes a discount when he already has been playing at a discounted rate his whole career. Same thing goes for Connor.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Especially Draisaitl. He has been heavily underpaid. His estimated career earnings to date are 54M. He has to cash in here to nearly triple that amount by 35, and he will. He should be agnostic as to destination except as it affects after-tax earnings.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by jg13

Serious question. Is Spector allowed to be fired? You're telling me there isn't a better journalist in Edmonton than what this guy has to offer between this and the Draisaitl question earlier today?

I hope they keep Spector and are creating new Spectors. Keep pissing off their players pushing them one step closer to leaving and telling the rest of the league to stay away in the process.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes David, it makes sense. FOR YOU! But it does not make sense for them. At all.

And it isn't just that players' careers are short and they need to make as much as they can - that is absolutely true, and it's true for all players, including them.

But the other aspect of the argument is also flawed. Staples is arguing that they have a better chance of winning the cup if they stay - much like Spector's question where he asked Draisaitl about staying "where else would you have a better chance at the Cup?" (or something to that effect). Here's the thing: wherever they go, THAT team is then in a good - maybe the best - position to win the cup! Any team, not just EDM. If Draisaitl signed with CAR, CAR instantly becomes a cup favourite.

Listening to the Oiler media basically beg them to stay is just so pathetic. It's a business, guys. And these guys are going to do whatever they think is best for them. Put your big boy pants on, and deal with it like adults.

I think fans fail to recognize that this is a job for players, just like any other job for any other employee. There is no way that you're taking a 20-25% haircut on your salary just to be a nice guy!

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Many Oilers fans think they can dump Kane; but I think they are stuck with him. Had one good year playing with the McDrai and his age/body is showing.

Coupled with the absolute cancer he is, Edmonton is going to have to pay for someone to take him.

And it can be linked quite directly to his wrist injury, which seems to have healed as much as it's going to. So teams aren't going to be able to talk themselves into "rekindling his scoring" or anything. He's physically unable to perform at the same clip he was in the past, and it's unlikely that will change. So that means to get rid of him they are sending out a first rounder (who would take 5m/year x2 years of toxic cap for anything less), which is further emptying the cupboards bare. Same with Campbell. They are almost out of assets to pair these bad deals with.

[Groot]

Oilers fans and media going on about how their contention window has just opened, it's insanity. They are at the tail-end of their contention window and they pissed it away. They will have to retool as soon as next season to hope McDavid stays, then rebuild again shortly after he leaves.

The rest of their core is aging and getting past their prime. Ekholm, Nuge, Hyman and Kane will not be seeing their play improve, they'll be lucky to keep it consistent and a decline is more probable. They need another top 6 player, an entire 3rd line and 2/3rd of a 4th. They have one of, if not the worst prospect bases in the league, and pick 3 times in the first 3 rounds over the next 2 years. Likely losing a pick or two as they have to trade for a win-now solution.

This is the beginning of the end of the McDrai era and I cannot wait.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by jg13

These Edmonton media guys are out of their minds. Draisaitl would be leaving at least 10M on the table to stay in EDMONTON on this Staples proposed deal and McDavid can get 17.6M on a max contract anywhere he wants to play.

These guys gave everything they had to give the Oilers a cup and their management failed them. They don't owe the city / fans and especially the media anything else. Not to mention, McDavid is engaged and Draisaitl has been with the same person for 6 years.. they have a say.

My prediction? They both walk for nothing and we're back laughing at how the Oilers are worse than us well before the new arena opens.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1806192975300428187

Christ!
the hometown discount for Draisatl would be 15 and if Mcdavid isnt making the max every other player and agent will roast him

[Toonage]

I love how their media puts immediate pressure on them at the post season presser to re-sign and then when they don't get a straight answer, set those two up to be villains by having them ultimately not settle for non existent hometown discounts.

Give them credit. They know how to cover their bases.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Slava

I think fans fail to recognize that this is a job for players, just like any other job for any other employee. There is no way that you're taking a 20-25% haircut on your salary just to be a nice guy!

A few years ago my niece was offered a promotion and 35% pay hike to move from Halifax to Edmonton, she didn't even mull it over, the answer was no thanks.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by jg13

These Edmonton media guys are out of their minds. Draisaitl would be leaving at least 10M on the table to stay in EDMONTON on this Staples proposed deal and McDavid can get 17.6M on a max contract anywhere he wants to play.

These guys gave everything they had to give the Oilers a cup and their management failed them. They don't owe the city / fans and especially the media anything else. Not to mention, McDavid is engaged and Draisaitl has been with the same person for 6 years.. they have a say.

My prediction? They both walk for nothing and we're back laughing at how the Oilers are worse than us well before the new arena opens.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1806192975300428187

Why would McDavid or Draisalty take less when Nurse didn’t? Do they think Bouchard will? They both did that last time & the organization squandered it & gave it to Nurse?

What a moron.

[Ozy_Flame]

Draisaitl and McDavid having pity and giving the Oilers huge discounts?

This is from a guy who confused a public sink for a toilet. And if you didn't know that, let that 'sink' in.

[Robbob]

For the most part, players understand situations they are in. Edmonton mortgaged a lot of their future to build this team. There isn't a lot coming down the pipe with what they have and no good picks in this draft licks it down the road another year. Both players have to see that and unless they think they can do it on their own, the only thing they will find in Edmonton is sycophants and the opportunity to lay together. The same money and championship opportunities are all outside Edmonton.

[Erick Estrada]

Man reality is going to hit Oilers fans and media hard. Ain't nobody purposely taking a discount to play in Edmonton long term.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

It makes no sense for either to take a discount. Edmo "media" is just setting it up to #### on them (Drai, in particular) if they dare to leave for a better situation.

My hope is that they are forced to ride him to free agency and either pay a massive price ($15mm or so) or watch him walk. McCrybaby follows the next year, waiting to sign a new deal until he sees what management does (whatever it is, it will be done poorly) and then walks it to Toronto or another big market.