Edmonton is No Good XI: Mud, Sweatpants and Tiers

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Hey I just noticed I'm a franchise player now! Can I turn that into some weird moniker or something?

You get a free small sundae at Dairy Queen.on the third Wednesday of every month now!

Congrats!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Groot

Great article.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.c...l-era.amp.html

I think they go all in with McDavid and Draisaitl next year regardless of whether Draisaitl intends to re-sign. They came really close this year and I can't see them not going for it again.

There is the whole issue of how they will fill out their roster with the limited cap space they have, but they'll go with as many league minimum players as they need to and mortgage their future to get cap space. There are probably going to be some older vets that may sign there on a short term deal to ride coat tails.

If it works for them, they are going to be happy. If it doesn't, they will end up re-building the only way they know. Bottoming out and going for lottery picks.

[stemit14]

It’s an interesting situation they will be in. They can’t trade draisaitl no matter how much it could make sense. Draisaitl could tell them outright that he is going to free agency next year and they still wouldn’t trade him… simply because McDavid is calling the shots for that team. His former agent is the president of the team. His former junior coach is the head coach. His buddy from Junior got a gift of a contract including bonuses that hurts the team this coming season. McDavid is essentially their GM and he’s going to run it like a beer leaguer runs his team with his buddies. If he doesn’t want Draisaitl to be traded, he won’t be traded. And there’s no way McDavid will allow Draisaitl to be traded because any trade they would make for him would not bring in any players that score as much as him - especially on the powerplay. They could get 2-3 players that give them depth scoring that make them a better team but it will end up lowering McDavid’s scoring on the powerplay - and that’s a no bueno for McDavid.

So they can’t trade Draisaitl. If he wants $15 million AAV on his next contract, that’s what he’ll get if McDavid wants to stay in Edmonton. Also, the McDavid-era oilers have always been very clicky with an inner circle comprised of McDavid, Draisaitl and Nurse. So I don’t think Nurse will get moved either to make cap space… even though they need cap space badly.

My expectation is following McDavid’s lead will end up running that team into the ground… they’ll trade picks for the 2025-2028 drafts to to get anything they can to make McDavid happy … only for him to leave in free agency anyways. Leaving them bottoming out almost instantly but with their first round picks traded away so their bottom out years don’t even pay off for the first 2-3 years after he leaves.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

They’re going to have to hope that Broberg and Holloway are good little soldiers for McDavid and take their puny qualifying offers. I’m guessing neither are at arb. rights yet and neither have really done enough to push back against the cheap deals anyways but occasionally there’s some good will shown on second contracts that the Oilers are in no position to hand out here. Just gonna piss off guys they need down the road.

If some GM does not offer those guys 1.5 million and pick them up for free if the Oilers don’t match they should be fired on the spot. That should be the realistic floor contract for either player because 31 teams could offer either player that and get them for free.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

When you see it like this seems like it's not that big of a disaster for how that team is built.

They can cut out one depth forward and run with 13F and 7D. We saw the Flames do that.

Spend $8 million on the third line, $3 million on 3 depth forwards and $2 million on 2 depth defensemen.

Even with that plan they lose their PK I think. And they will burn out Skinner.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Just for the moment, because of what you have said just lately, I'm going to take your ‘Are you OK?’ at face value. I honestly thought it was sarcasm, and I don't think I can be much blamed for that.

I do not talk about my personal life here, because I want to keep it entirely separate from CP. But I will share just one of several major issues:

I am slowly going blind. Two of the best specialists in the city are mystified by it, and they can't think of anything to stop it – though they are trying to slow it down. (One of them said he could count on his fingers the number of similar cases he has seen in his career.) I've already had to give up driving, and I dread what may come next.

This is the kind of stuff I am trying to escape from by enjoying hockey and discussions about hockey. When posters get nasty and spoil the escape, I let my accumulated frustration get the better of me. To all of you bystanders who have had to scroll through this stuff, I apologize for my bad temper.

Sorry for going off topic. We now return you to your regularly scheduled no-goodness.

Hey man, I can absolutely relate to being thin skinned and going off tilt when someone pushes your buttons on here because life is currently eating a carton of Ex Lax, dropping it's drawers, and squatting over your head. Stay strong and if you want to vent it out look up the rate your mental health thread in the off topic, there is some good discussion and support there. I really hope they can save your sight so you can continue to be able to see future Oiler failures. Cheers.

[FlamesAreOne]

Oilers SUCK.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Just for the moment, because of what you have said just lately, I'm going to take your ‘Are you OK?’ at face value. I honestly thought it was sarcasm, and I don't think I can be much blamed for that.

I do not talk about my personal life here, because I want to keep it entirely separate from CP. But I will share just one of several major issues:

I am slowly going blind. Two of the best specialists in the city are mystified by it, and they can't think of anything to stop it – though they are trying to slow it down. (One of them said he could count on his fingers the number of similar cases he has seen in his career.) I've already had to give up driving, and I dread what may come next.

This is the kind of stuff I am trying to escape from by enjoying hockey and discussions about hockey. When posters get nasty and spoil the escape, I let my accumulated frustration get the better of me. To all of you bystanders who have had to scroll through this stuff, I apologize for my bad temper.

Sorry for going off topic. We now return you to your regularly scheduled no-goodness.

Wishing you well jay. Understandable how bad things in life can filter through. Strength on your journey.

[Boreal]

Apparently Dube, Hart, & the other Hockey Canada players charged are going to the KHL after they don’t get qualified.

Watch the Oilers offer all of them contracts, unless the NHL steps in.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Just for the moment, because of what you have said just lately, I'm going to take your ‘Are you OK?’ at face value. I honestly thought it was sarcasm, and I don't think I can be much blamed for that.

I do not talk about my personal life here, because I want to keep it entirely separate from CP. But I will share just one of several major issues:

I am slowly going blind. Two of the best specialists in the city are mystified by it, and they can't think of anything to stop it – though they are trying to slow it down. (One of them said he could count on his fingers the number of similar cases he has seen in his career.) I've already had to give up driving, and I dread what may come next.

This is the kind of stuff I am trying to escape from by enjoying hockey and discussions about hockey. When posters get nasty and spoil the escape, I let my accumulated frustration get the better of me. To all of you bystanders who have had to scroll through this stuff, I apologize for my bad temper.

Sorry for going off topic. We now return you to your regularly scheduled no-goodness.

What you're dealing with really sucks. Thank you for sharing a part of your personal life. I'm with you with getting frustrated by those who take away your enjoyment of enjoying hockey. I hope the doctors are able to find a way to save your eye sight. I'll be thinking of you. I remember you from way back in the days of the usenet groups and have always held you in high regard.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Apparently Dube, Hart, & the other Hockey Canada players charged are going to the KHL after they don’t get qualified.

Watch the Oilers offer all of them contracts, unless the NHL steps in.

Are they suspended indefinitely though? I can't remember.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Oilers will likely deal Kane? I would think another team would take him on his current deal. He's a cancer in the room, but on a relatively team friendly contract. I think his time in Edmonton has come to an end.

Team friendly contract? Two years ago, yes. Now? Not in my opinion.

He just had his second worst PPG season in his 15 years in the NHL. And he will be 33 next year, and he has MILES on him. He used to be fast, but isn't anymore. His points pace (per 82) in his 3 seasons in EDM (where his points are bolstered by playing with Draisaitl) are: 74, 56 and 46, i.e. falling off a cliff. His PPG in the playoffs were 0.4.

If he were a UFA this summer, would you offer him $5M? I sure wouldn't. Completely ignoring his cancerous presence, and just looking at his production, I would expect he is a 30 point player next year, and on any other team, I would probably take the under on that.

If they trade him, it's as a cap dump.

[Baaarrden]

Reading Oilers reddit is hilarious. Love to see how delusional and overconfident they are that neither McDavid or Draisaitl will be leaving because they love playing in Edmonton and that they would never turn their back on a team that is on the brink of winning each year.

I think one of the days I am most looking forward to over the next few years is seeing their fans' souls crushed once again as both of them walk without anything to show for their time there.

[Icon]

Guy at work said the Oilers will be just as good if not a better team next year, as they'll be the same team plus great new additions...

I don't see it.

- Currently @ $10mil cap space - roster at 14/23 spots.
- 7 forwards signed. (Holloway RFA. Brown, Carrick, Foegele, Gagner, Henrique, Janmark, Perry all UFAs, maybe you keep 1 or 2? But you still need to fill 5-6 spots with basically no budget to do it)
- 5 defenseman signed. (Broberg RFA. Desharnais, Stecher UFAs & I doubt they keep either. So need to add 1-2 again with no budget to do it)
- Campbell probably buried in the minors again
- Only Skinner signed so they need to add a G or bring up Rodrigue, or just count on Campbell to be better.

I don't see any of their recent draft picks making the jump but I guess that's an option to save some cap, but doesn't make them "the same or better".

I think they're a very different team next season... but maybe that doesn't matter since they'll still just play McDavid & Draisaitl half the game so who's in the bottom 6 doesn't matter anyway.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

When you see it like this seems like it's not that big of a disaster for how that team is built.

They can cut out one depth forward and run with 13F and 7D. We saw the Flames do that.

Spend $8 million on the third line, $3 million on 3 depth forwards and $2 million on 2 depth defensemen.

I think they consider trading Ceci, and having Kulak - Broberg their second pair with a 6-7 dman playing with Nurse.

Nurse/Ceci is way too much money for a third pair

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If some GM does not offer those guys 1.5 million and pick them up for free if the Oilers don’t match they should be fired on the spot. That should be the realistic floor contract for either player because 31 teams could offer either player that and get them for free.

They're RFAs so as long as Edmonton offers them the qualifying offer, which they'll definitely do, they can't entertain signing with another team.

Offer sheets though... paging getbak...

[GullFoss]

Drai and McDavid will have to be a package deal. Drai only resigns if McDavid does and vice-versa. The most important thing is winning for most star players. And Edmonton's cup run provides the impression Edmonton is a good place to win if Drai and McDavid stick around.

[Rollin22x]

Probably been posted before but... Reporter "What's the best thing about Edmonton?" McDavid "uh uh uh mmmm, the days are really long. It doesn't get dark until 11:30" I think he's out as soon as he gets the chance. How hard would it have been to throw out a cliche "the fans and my teammates!" E=NG

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Icon

Guy at work said the Oilers will be just as good if not a better team next year, as they'll be the same team plus great new additions...

I don't see it.

- Currently @ $10mil cap space - roster at 14/23 spots.
- 7 forwards signed. (Holloway RFA. Brown, Carrick, Foegele, Gagner, Henrique, Janmark, Perry all UFAs, maybe you keep 1 or 2? But you still need to fill 5-6 spots with basically no budget to do it)
- 5 defenseman signed. (Broberg RFA. Desharnais, Stecher UFAs & I doubt they keep either. So need to add 1-2 again with no budget to do it)
- Campbell probably buried in the minors again
- Only Skinner signed so they need to add a G or bring up Rodrigue, or just count on Campbell to be better.

I don't see any of their recent draft picks making the jump but I guess that's an option to save some cap, but doesn't make them "the same or better".

I think they're a very different team next season... but maybe that doesn't matter since they'll still just play McDavid & Draisaitl half the game so who's in the bottom 6 doesn't matter anyway.

Their bottom 6 was better this year. But Foegele, Henrique, Janmark, Ryan, and Perry are all UFAs. They can probably afford to sign one, or maybe two of them. The rest of the bottom six will be replacement level players. So their bottom 6 is going to be garbage again, as it was every year until this year.

Meanwhile, Hyman had a career year, while Kane and RNH are on the back 9.

Bouchard had a career year. Ekholm is on the back 9. Are they as good as last year? Maybe. But hard to imagine they're better. After that, it's the same old same old, with their defense.

Goaltending? They can't afford to fix it, and once again, will push all their chips in on Skinner.

They need both Holloway and Broberg to take a step forward, because they can't afford any big ticket additions.

Exactly where will the Oilers be 'better'? (directed at your workmate, not you)

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Even with that plan they lose their PK I think. And they will burn out Skinner.

The PK part is a big one for me. Even if they keep some of the top PK guys, they won't have a playoff of minus 1 on the PK again.

McDavid got a lot of credit and probably deserved the Conn Smyth, but the PK is why they almost one. Oilers top guys did a ton of padding stats in the Kings series and the first 2 games against Vancouver.

McDavid
1st 7 games - 17 points
Last 17 games - 25 points

Leon
1st 7 games - 16 points
Last 17 games - 15 points

Hyman
1st 7 games - 11 points
Last 17 games - 11 points

Bouchard
1st 7 games - 11 points
Last 17 games - 21 points

Nuge
1st 7 games - 9 points
Last 17 games - 13 points

Bouchard and McDavid numbers were still great, but the rest slowed up big time. They had some big games, 8-1 in the finals in a series that was 3-0, stats were padded but the PK almost won them the cup.

Janmark, Foegele, and Brown were huge parts of their success. But media just wants to give all the credit to the above.