How much in touch CPC are with Canadians as a whole doesn't matter, if they are the only party even remotely listening to what matters most to average Canadians today. 40% is better than 0. It should be obvious they have little intentions of being in touch with everyone considering how the CPC choose to go further right with Poilievre instead of moving left.
You literally argued that the liberals and NDP were out of touch with Canadians only to follow that up by saying it doesn’t matter if parties are out of touch with Canadians. You then follow that up with a vague unsubstantiated claim that only one party is remotely listening to Canadians. All the while chastising another poster for being partisan. Easy money if you can get it I suppose.
Telling Canadians you’re gonna fix all of their problems without a real plan on how to do so isn’t the same as actually listening to their problems and giving a #### about fixing them.
Telling Canadians you’re gonna fix all of their problems without a real plan on how to do so isn’t the same as actually listening to their problems and giving a #### about fixing them.
Most elections are a referendum on the status quo. If voters a happy with it, they continue voting for the people in power. If they don’t, they vote for whoever seems like the most viable alternative.
Policy platforms - which typically aren’t released until a few months before an election - can nudge support a bit this way or that. But if the incumbents have lost the confidence of the public, the platform of the opposition doesn’t matter a whole lot.
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Against my better judgement I sat through that...you would think if the subject is "Why Women Have Become Much More Liberal Than Men(and why did I capitalize every word?)," and they clearly don't figure out why, they maybe should have had a female expert on as well? It could have been titled "Conservative men can't really puzzle this one out, help!"
They flew a little close to the sun discussing abortion and #metoo, but sure couldn't close the thought. Nor make the connection that the more educated you are, the more likely you vote democrat, and with women taking more higher education, well golly gee?
Pretended to address the Overton window, but kinda dismissed it, missing the point that the Republican party has moved so far into ####oo land that well educated women are smart enough to see the danger in that, as they have their rights pilfered.
I rate this video a -1, uninsightful.
Fair enough, I definitely agree that it kind of forced the listener to come up with the answers. Maybe it's just me but I find a lot of podcasts that aren't Maga/right wing seem to find a hard time just calling it out. Does the algorithm just have me?
Not that it's that difficult a question or answer...education has always resulted in a liberal slant, probably why the UCP hates it so much haha.
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Most elections are a referendum on the status quo. If voters a happy with it, they continue voting for the people in power. If they don’t, they vote for whoever seems like the most viable alternative.
Policy platforms - which typically aren’t released until a few months before an election - can nudge support a bit this way or that. But if the incumbents have lost the confidence of the public, the platform of the opposition doesn’t matter a whole lot.
Most elections are a referendum on the status quo. If voters a happy with it, they continue voting for the people in power. If they don’t, they vote for whoever seems like the most viable alternative.
Policy platforms - which typically aren’t released until a few months before an election - can nudge support a bit this way or that. But if the incumbents have lost the confidence of the public, the platform of the opposition doesn’t matter a whole lot.
This is a huge loss for the Liberals. Going back as far as the 90’s they have usually doubled or tripled the vote count of the second place party in Toronto St Paul. To lose this stronghold sends a pretty clear message.
First Singh would need to divest himself from the Liberals, and that is probably harder said than done.
Probably a wise move as the current coalition isn’t benefiting the Liberals anymore, and being associated to the Liberals is likely hurting the NDP (outside the die hards who are just happy to have a voice for 16 more months)
We may see Jagmeet pull the plug long before next election as it becomes clear Liberals don’t have upside in the current arrangement. One can hope
You mean most Canadians don’t spend all day on various message boards obsessing over the freedom convoy and the evil Cons coming to take away their rights , and are more concerned about paying rent and buying groceries ?
The election is going to be a bloodbath . I hope a few people here have their safe spaces reserved for the aftermath
I just find it shocking that the Liberals and their party brass don’t seem to realize this. I get that Trudeau seems to have his head in the sand and he’s not going to outright say he’s getting trounced. But you would expect that other people would see the polling and issues to recognize that they’re going to get wrecked. Maybe they’re just in their bubble though and can’t see anything outside.
I just find it shocking that the Liberals and their party brass don’t seem to realize this. I get that Trudeau seems to have his head in the sand and he’s not going to outright say he’s getting trounced. But you would expect that other people would see the polling and issues to recognize that they’re going to get wrecked. Maybe they’re just in their bubble though and can’t see anything outside.
I’m sure they do realize it. But there’s no easy fixes to the macro-economic issues that have made them so unpopular. Canada’s economic and housing issues were inflamed by decisions made 2–6 years ago that will take years to unwind.
Turfing Trudeau won’t do the trick either, as nobody with any brains will want to take on the role of Kim Campbell at the helm of a sinking ship. With the loss in St. Pauls, I expect most seasoned Liberals MPs with options and connections are looking to their post-politics careers.
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I’m sure they do realize it. But there’s no easy fixes to the macro-economic issues that have made them so unpopular. Canada’s economic and housing issues are the result of decisions made 2–6 years ago that will take years to unwind.
Turfing Trudeau won’t do the trick either, as nobody with any brains will want to take on the role of Kim Campbell at the helm of a sinking ship. With the loss in St. Pauls, I expect most seasoned Liberals MPs with options and connections are looking to their post-politics careers.
Yeah I think if you are the liberals you have already conceded the next election. So now I think people are positioning themselves not to take the blame and get ready for the leadership contest post election.
Yeah I think if you are the liberals you have already conceded the next election. So now I think people are positioning themselves not to take the blame and get ready for the leadership contest post election.
Focus is to make PP a one term PM
And that's why you do everything you can to name Mark Gerrettsen as the next Liberal leader.
The Liberals are going to get stomped in the next election, and the longer the wait, the worse its going to get.
They might as well make it entertaining. I doubt that too many members of the current caucus are in a hurry to run as the leader Federally, and a lot of them will have enough trouble holding onto their seats.
I doubt that even Mark Carney would be all that interested in fighting a losing election.
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