2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

ew brother ew

You’re right. Bad trade.

Scaling it back from there though… would Detroit say no to Coleman (50% retained) for 15th overall? Would Calgary?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by stemit14

You’re right. Bad trade.

Scaling it back from there though… would Detroit say no to Coleman (50% retained) for 15th overall? Would Calgary?

It depends on the board. That's an in-draft decision. If an Eiserman or Yakemchuk has slipped - sure.

[Yeah_Baby]

the thing is, you trade away all your vets, and you're in for a redux of the Cogliano, Gagner, Gilbert, era of the Oilers. Minus the silly reality doc series.

[tony-soprano]

Lol, why is Pospisil in everyone's trades? He's Chucky 2.0

[Muta]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

Lol, why is Pospisil in everyone's trades? He's Chucky 2.0

That's a stretch. I'd say he's Tkachuk extra light, which is more accurate.

[TheIronMaiden]

What is the feeling?

Are the Flames busy before Monday?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

Lol, why is Pospisil in everyone's trades? He's Chucky 2.0

He’s more Ferland. I think his injuries will really shorten his career

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

What is the feeling?

Are the Flames busy before Monday?

Yup. 8 picks in 4 rounds and there'll be trades.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

What is the feeling?

Are the Flames busy before Monday?

I think they’re gonna be making a moves during the draft, just have a feeling conroy is gonna get another 1st rounder.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He’s more Ferland. I think his injuries will really shorten his career

That's the fear (also that his offence might be Bouma revisited).

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I still don’t think that gets the 6th overall. It would blow away any comparable trade out of the water extension or not.

I’m not sure one could say the 6OA wouldn’t be traded for Marner. That seems like a blanket statement without taking much into consideration.

First of all, I think Marner’s being undervalued by many here. He’s a Leaf, so I get it, the knee jerk reaction is he’s overvalued by Leafs fans, right? The facts, though, are Marner just turned 27 and has scored at a 1.2pt/GM pace since he entered the league as a 19 year old. That’s elite and as far as wingers go I don’t think there are any other elite players at his position available at the moment. Bear in mind many posters here and even some media including Stienberg and Duhatschek were saying 10OA for Markstrom+ wasn’t far off. If a 34 year old goalie is in the conversation for a top 10 pick, why not a 27 year old elite RW? Especially in a year where there might not be a significant difference between 6 and 10.

On the other hand, it seems like Utah might be interested in making a splash. Adding a guy who helps them now who is on his prime does that. Further, Utah certainly has the cap to extend Marner as well as the assets to acquire him.

As far as I see it three teams get what they could be after. Toronto gets a top 4 and 2C, which allows them to slide Tavares to the wing. Also makes them a more balanced team. Calgary gets a top 10 pick and a young C with some potential. Utah gets a big name/elite winger in his prime which helps them take steps towards being competitive.

I understand there are many reasons why this wouldn’t happen and I’m probably way off. Marner would have to agree to leave and depending who you listen to, he’s not going to do that or he’s as good as gone already. Utah might prioritize other areas on their roster. The three way deal might be too complicated.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’m not sure one could say the 6OA wouldn’t be traded for Marner. That seems like a blanket statement without taking much into consideration.

First of all, I think Marner’s being undervalued by many here. He’s a Leaf, so I get it, the knee jerk reaction is he’s overvalued by Leafs fans, right? The facts, though, are Marner just turned 27 and has scored at a 1.2pt/GM pace since he entered the league as a 19 year old. That’s elite and as far as wingers go I don’t think there are any other elite players at his position available at the moment. Bear in mind many posters here and even some media including Stienberg and Duhatschek were saying 10OA for Markstrom+ wasn’t far off. If a 34 year old goalie is in the conversation for a top 10 pick, why not a 27 year old elite RW? Especially in a year where there might not be a significant difference between 6 and 10.

On the other hand, it seems like Utah might be interested in making a splash. Adding a guy who helps them now who is on his prime does that. Further, Utah certainly has the cap to extend Marner as well as the assets to acquire him.

As far as I see it three teams get what they could be after. Toronto gets a top 4 and 2C, which allows them to slide Tavares to the wing. Also makes them a more balanced team. Calgary gets a top 10 pick and a young C with some potential. Utah gets a big name/elite winger in his prime which helps them take steps towards being competitive.

I understand there are many reasons why this wouldn’t happen and I’m probably way off. Marner would have to agree to leave and depending who you listen to, he’s not going to do that or he’s as good as gone already. Utah might prioritize other areas on their roster. The three way deal might be too complicated.

If Marner will agree to an extension with Utah, pretty much anything could happen. I just don't think they would give up significant assets for a rental.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He’s more Ferland. I think his injuries will really shorten his career

If that's what some think and it's motivating the trade proposals, why would another team grab that hand grenade? You'd be getting a steeply discounted value in return.


Really confusing.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Also count me out for any type of Kardi for Marner proposal.

Kadri had a great season on the ice from a statistical and a mentorship perspective. Trading him for a guy that can't handle the mentorship load (and would likely come down statistically) seems a poor plan.

We do need some quality veterans to set the tone on the ice and in the locker room. Once you trade that away, it doesn't just magically come back.

[shutout]

Athletic article talking about which teams need an upgrade on defense.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/558...-agency-trade/

Have to think based on where Detroit is in its rebuild cycle, their need to start competing soon, and their need for defense that an Andersson trade with the Red Wings might be the best opportunity for the Flames.

From the Athletic which has them ranked #30 of 32:

There’s not a second-pair type in the bunch. Despite all the money Detroit has spent over the past few years, the Red Wings are still three top-four defensemen short.

Detroit pick at 15 is not a slam dunk franchise player so the Wings should be willing to part with it. But it would allow the Flames to pick up another strong young piece for the future.

If the Flames were willing to entertain moving Andersson, what would be the rest of the trade package that both teams would consider beyond #15 and Andersson?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

the thing is, you trade away all your vets, and you're in for a redux of the Cogliano, Gagner, Gilbert, era of the Oilers. Minus the silly reality doc series.

Not really.

You'd be keeping Huberdeau, Weegar at the very least, likely Kadri too.

And in the salary cap era there are 32 year old and older veterans available on 1-2 year deals every offseason.

And you'd have the ability to overpay them or take on other teams bad contract veterans with your cap space.

Trading the veterans you have that are valuable, doesn't prevent you from bringing in different veterans that are less valuable.

[Knut]

Where are the blockbusters ?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Knut

Where are the blockbusters ?

The season has been over for about 14 hours...and there were already the Markstrom and Ullmark trades.

Thats already more major trades than the normal NHL offseason.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If Marner will agree to an extension with Utah, pretty much anything could happen. I just don't think they would give up significant assets for a rental.

Yes, the whole premise here is that Marner would waive to go to Utah and willing to sign an extension.

Who knows. He may be open to that or it could be a hell no. I don’t think anyone here can say one way or the other they know what Mitch Marner might be open to.

[dammage79]

I've read the rumored trade with Utah is bigger than just 6th overall and Marner. Guess we will see if these rumors hold weight.