[Trade] Markstrom (31.25% retained) traded to NJ for 2025 1st (top 10 protected) and Bahl

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, I know Theo is pretty political and unhinged nowadays but there is some reach here. First, he was going to get that pension regardless of the Flames tryout. Two, he had a better camp than many other scrubs on that team and the Flames were stupid not to give him one last run. They were not doing anything that year anyhow and he would have packed the Dome every night. Three, there is nothing to indicate there is bad blood still between the Flames and Theo Fleury. I think his outspokenness on social media is what has prevented his number from going into the rafters yet. As a matter of fact he was just in Calgary for the 89 Cup reunion, before that he was at the Lanny McDonald gala. If he was not so politically unhinged and has the mental issues he clearly does his number would already be retired. Joe Nieuendyk and Al MacInnis are not in the same tier of Flames iconic players as Fleury no matter how much some fans don't like him now. Not close. There are 3 players that are on the top tier, Lanny, Jarome, and Theo. Personally I don't read his tweets or other ramblings because I don't agree with what he says. On the other hand he does do a lot of work and seminars to help victims of sexual abuse. The bottom line is Theo is a Flames legend and that number should be retired. There are multiple players in the past that have done or said worse things than Theo Fleury that have had their teams retire their number and they don't have the excuse of being molested by their coach.

#### Theo

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

#### Theo

Yup. Im all for forgive and let people have a chance this isnt trauma its someone who aint right in the head.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

#### Theo

No, the better course of action is to ignore him, like he didn't even exist. Move on. Assign #14 at the earliest possible opportunity and just move on.

[FlamesAddiction]

Markstrom made a farewell post on social media to Flames fans. I always appreciate when players or staff do this sort of thing.

https://calgaryherald.com/sports/hoc...ial-media-post

“Thank you to the city of Calgary and every single person that live there, and on behalf of my family I want to thank you for being a great place to start a family,” Markstrom wrote Sunday on Instagram. “Thank you to the Calgary Flames organization. Thank you to all my teammates that made it special to come to the rink everyday, thank you to the C of Red, don’t know where to begin but the support that you have showed me has been unreal, you make the dome a special place.”

[SebC]

I hope when we look back at this trade, we say that New Jersey dropped the Bahl.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Yup. Im all for forgive and let people have a chance this isnt trauma its someone who aint right in the head.

So you want Kylington off the team too? He missed almost two seasons because he was not right in the head.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you want Kylington off the team too? He missed almost two seasons because he was not right in the head.

Not the same at all.

[Bingo]

I think people should be allowed to dislike Theo Fleury for what he's said on social media in the last half dozen years. He chose a platform and chose his remarks.

You need to be companionate about his past, and understanding of the affects that that can have on a human being.

But you're allowed to dislike the guy. And you're allowed to not think his number should be retired or honoured.

[Locke]

Well. Its always nice to have the Devil on our side for a change.

In the Bible, Baal is the name given to several different deities who are designated as false gods or idols. However, it is most often used to describe the specific Canaanite-Phoenician god of fertility and rain. Additionally, Baal is associated with Beezlebub, demons, and the devil.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/baa...%20the%20devil.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Not the same at all.

How so? His comment was you can't forgive someone for not being right in the head?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think people should be allowed to dislike Theo Fleury for what he's said on social media in the last half dozen years. He chose a platform and chose his remarks.

You need to be companionate about his past, and understanding of the affects that that can have on a human being.

But you're allowed to dislike the guy. And you're allowed to not think his number should be retired or honoured.

I absolutely agree. I think it is fine to be on either side of the fence, just something to debate.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Markstrom made a farewell post on social media to Flames fans. I always appreciate when players or staff do this sort of thing.

https://calgaryherald.com/sports/hoc...ial-media-post

Man. I like Markstrom.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you want Kylington off the team too? He missed almost two seasons because he was not right in the head.

Thats a really p poor comparable

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

No, the better course of action is to ignore him, like he didn't even exist. Move on. Assign #14 at the earliest possible opportunity and just move on.

This would just create more noise and the opposite of ignore

Unless someone comes in and really wants 14 who cares . And I can’t imagine someone wanting that extra distraction anyways unless an established veteran who has worn the number

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Not the same at all.

All mental health issues need to be treated properly and hopefully anyone with them can get the help they need. When Theo needed the help it wasn't there, who knows how he would have turned out had it been there.

Glad Oliver is on the mend, hope he re signs, if he chooses to move on so be it as long as he is healthy and stays that way. I am happy with the way the organization dealt with him and the situation.

I don't pretend to be in the know what Kylington was going through, so I can't really comment on his situation. I did however read Fleury's book and I can definitely say that is one situation I would never wish on anyone. The trauma he went through, no one should ever have to go through.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

This would just create more noise and the opposite of ignore

Unless someone comes in and really wants 14 who cares . And I can’t imagine someone wanting that extra distraction anyways unless an established veteran who has worn the number

Rip the band-aid off and put it to bed.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think people should be allowed to dislike Theo Fleury for what he's said on social media in the last half dozen years. He chose a platform and chose his remarks.

You need to be companionate about his past, and understanding of the affects that that can have on a human being.

But you're allowed to dislike the guy. And you're allowed to not think his number should be retired or honoured.

Agreed. You should also be allowed to acknowledge his fantastic career and time in Calgary, especially considering the pains of his upbringing.

You're also allowed to like the guy, regardless of his political views.

'member when we could appreciate artists, and people in general regardless of their political views?

I 'member.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Agreed. You should also be allowed to acknowledge his fantastic career and time in Calgary, especially considering the pains of his upbringing.

You're also allowed to like the guy, regardless of his political views.

'member when we could appreciate artists, and people in general regardless of their political views?

I 'member.

Yep, you got to be able to separate the artist from the art. Charles Manson wrote some great tunes!

/green text

[GioforPM]

"Political views" is insufficient to describe Fleury's conspiracy ridden, bigoted, unscientific, grifting behaviour.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Bobby Orr approved the character of a person who openly committed adultery, putting Bobby's character into a clear view. I guess the Bruins should be re-evaluating as well.