[Trade] Markstrom (31.25% retained) traded to NJ for 2025 1st (top 10 protected) and Bahl

[TheScorpion]

Bahl will wear No. 7. First since Brodie in 2020.

[browna]

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Someone really needs to come in and put the past to bed by taking #14.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by browna

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Someone really needs to come in and put the past to bed by taking #14.

No, no they shouldn't.

[browna]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No, no they shouldn't.

If Brad Werenka can wear #2 and Freddie Hamilton can wear #25 post MacInnis and Nieuwendyk, someone can wear #14.

Am fully aware that past or current Flames ownership had some sort of agreement with Fleury about some sort of honor, but he never has got that honor (jersey retired or the Forever a Flame treatment) for good reason(s) as far as ownership’s opinion and guidelines to get that honor.

Among other things, he publicly bashed the club months after the club vouched for him to the league to come off the suspended list so he could get a NHL pension, and goodness knows what he did and said behind the scenes to owners over the years.

It’s been 25 years since he played a meaningful game here.

[ResAlien]

Yeah anyone and everyone who wants it should take 14 forget about it

[getbak]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Bahl will wear No. 7. First since Brodie in 2020.

Interesting. Since he has worn #88 since junior, I thought he might do the reverse-Gretzky and switch to #8.

Does that mean they're keeping 8 for Tanev's return?

[browna]

Originally Posted by getbak

Interesting. Since he has worn #88 since junior, I thought he might do the reverse-Gretzky and switch to #8.

Does that mean they're keeping 8 for Tanev's return?

“8 Bahl” had so many possibilities for the circa 1997 Calgary Sun headline writers.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by browna

If Brad Werenka can wear #2 and Freddie Hamilton can wear #25 post MacInnis and Nieuwendyk, someone can wear #14.

Am fully aware that past or current Flames ownership had some sort of agreement with Fleury about some sort of honor, but he never has got that honor (jersey retired or the Forever a Flame treatment) for good reason(s) as far as ownership’s opinion and guidelines to get that honor.

Among other things, he publicly bashed the club months after the club vouched for him to the league to come off the suspended list so he could get a NHL pension, and goodness knows what he did and said behind the scenes to owners over the years.

It’s been 25 years since he played a meaningful game here.

Ok, I know Theo is pretty political and unhinged nowadays but there is some reach here. First, he was going to get that pension regardless of the Flames tryout. Two, he had a better camp than many other scrubs on that team and the Flames were stupid not to give him one last run. They were not doing anything that year anyhow and he would have packed the Dome every night. Three, there is nothing to indicate there is bad blood still between the Flames and Theo Fleury. I think his outspokenness on social media is what has prevented his number from going into the rafters yet. As a matter of fact he was just in Calgary for the 89 Cup reunion, before that he was at the Lanny McDonald gala. If he was not so politically unhinged and has the mental issues he clearly does his number would already be retired. Joe Nieuendyk and Al MacInnis are not in the same tier of Flames iconic players as Fleury no matter how much some fans don't like him now. Not close. There are 3 players that are on the top tier, Lanny, Jarome, and Theo. Personally I don't read his tweets or other ramblings because I don't agree with what he says. On the other hand he does do a lot of work and seminars to help victims of sexual abuse. The bottom line is Theo is a Flames legend and that number should be retired. There are multiple players in the past that have done or said worse things than Theo Fleury that have had their teams retire their number and they don't have the excuse of being molested by their coach.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by browna

“8 Bahl” had so many possibilities for the circa 1997 Calgary Sun headline writers.

[browna]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, I know Theo is pretty political and unhinged nowadays but there is some reach here. First, he was going to get that pension regardless of the Flames tryout. Two, he had a better camp than many other scrubs on that team and the Flames were stupid not to give him one last run. They were not doing anything that year anyhow and he would have packed the Dome every night. Three, there is nothing to indicate there is bad blood still between the Flames and Theo Fleury. I think his outspokenness on social media is what has prevented his number from going into the rafters yet. As a matter of fact he was just in Calgary for the 89 Cup reunion, before that he was at the Lanny McDonald gala. If he was not so politically unhinged and has the mental issues he clearly does his number would all be retired. Joe Nieuendyk and Al MacInnis are not in the same tier of Flames iconic players as Fleury no matter how much some fans don't like him now. Not close. There are 3 players that are on the top tier, Lanny, Jarome, and Theo. Personally I don't read his tweets or other ramblings because I don't agree with what he says. On the other hand he does do a lot of work and seminars to help victims of sexual abuse. The bottom line is Theo is a Flames legend and that number should be retired. There are multiple players in the past that have done or said worse things than Theo Fleury that have had their teams retire their number and they don't have the excuse of being molested by their coach.

We will agree to disagree but nowhere did I bring in his current or recent social media presence into my argument.

That social media presence he has, hasn’t been 25 years; 10, at the most? Regardless, he’s not been honoured by the Flames for reasons only the owners who dealt with him and grant the honour, know, and predated his political and unhinged ramblings. And, none of us know the detail or severity of what Theo has done or said to those that make the decision on an organizational honour, so to say other players who got numbers retired were or said worse things, is a complete shot in the dark.

I know from a good source that Flames were the ones that initiated the league to re look at Fleury’s situation in summer 2009,that got him reinstated and eligible for the pension and benefits…it wasn’t Fleury. He had been out of the league 6 years. Sure, he could’ve then tried out for anyone, Flames were only team that were going to give him a sniff that September.

[Parallex]

Theo Fluery hasn't been honored because he's a giant ####### who never saw a bridge that he didn't think would look great on fire. That he's such a deranged loon on social media isn't the reason... just makes it even easier.

If someone else wants to wear 14 they should just do it.

[Bingo]

So what things can officially be put to bed now?

Flames will retain.
Conroy wasn't blocked from making a deal at the deadline for Markstrom.
Markstrom dealt so the team "will" rebuild.

Autonomy not as obvious I guess?

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So what things can officially be put to bed now?

Flames will retain.
Conroy wasn't blocked from making a deal at the deadline for Markstrom.
Markstrom dealt so the team "will" rebuild.

Autonomy not as obvious I guess?

Agreed, but I suspect for one reason or another, they still won't be put to bed for some people.

[1qqaaz]

Well, guys like Dreger, possibly the most reliable insider, and Nonis's cousin, explicitly said there was interference from "up top". Frank Seravalli was even more specific, saying it was Flames ownership that nixed the deal with New Jersey.

Meanwhile Conroy is employed by Edwards and would obviously never throw him under the bus.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Well, guys like Dreger, possibly the most reliable insider, and Nonis's cousin, explicitly said there was interference from "up top". Frank Seravalli was even more specific, saying it was Flames ownership that nixed the deal with New Jersey.

Meanwhile Conroy is employed by Edwards and would obviously never throw him under the bus.

Conroy did not have to say there was no deal at the TDL, and that he didn't ask Markstrom to waive his nmc during the same time. Do you honestly think he randomly said that to protect Edwards?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Well, guys like Dreger, possibly the most reliable insider, and Nonis's cousin, explicitly said there was interference from "up top". Frank Seravalli was even more specific, saying it was Flames ownership that nixed the deal with New Jersey.

Meanwhile Conroy is employed by Edwards and would obviously never throw him under the bus.

Sure but we've also heard Jersey had a 2nd round pick and Holtz on the table from other insiders as a best offer at the deadline.

Not sure you even take that to ownership do you?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Conroy did not have to say there was no deal at the TDL, and that he didn't ask Markstrom to waive his nmc during the same time. Do you honestly think he randomly said that to protect Edwards?

Offering up details is certainly not protecting someone. That's done with vague answers.

Saying he didn't ask Markstrom would easily be refuted by the player or his agent if they're so inclined.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by browna

“8 Bahl” had so many possibilities for the circa 1997 Calgary Sun headline writers.

I could get behind that.

[Royle9]

Grant Fuhr was basically the spokesman for cocaine & prostitutes through the 80’s and and he’s been in the HHOF since 2003.

If Fuhr can have his number retired and be inducted then I fail to see why Fluery can’t.
Yea politics has tarnished his image, but the guys gone through more trauma than 95% of the hockey world.

I don’t agree with him politically either, but there’s no denying his dedication to the game and most of that in Calgary.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So what things can officially be put to bed now?

Flames will retain.
Conroy wasn't blocked from making a deal at the deadline for Markstrom.
Markstrom dealt so the team "will" rebuild.

Autonomy not as obvious I guess?

Yes we can put most things to bed. Multiple corroborating sources. The original trade deadline NJ deal was not good enough. Conroy never talked to Markstrom.

Autonomy for decision making clearly in place including retention. Ownership does not mettle in hockey ops decisions as per credible source. They have alot of trust in group in place.

Not sure what re______ word they end up using. I made it clear to the insider that it would be best if the team came clean on this. But there does seem some reluctance to verbalizing.