Stanley Cup: Florida Panthers [ATL1] vs Edmonton Oilers [PAC2] - Florida wins 4-3

[blender]

Originally Posted by indes

I said in the first 3 games that the Panthers 1-2-2 was dominating the Oilers breakout and causing turnovers. The Oilers have adjusted and have all their wingers coming back off the boards - that's why there's so many icings, when the forward misses the off board clear. Florida hasn't adjusted at all and keeps dumping and chasing down the wall. Florida needs to either move to a 2-1-2 or to a 1-3-1. Not sure why Paul isn't adjusting to the Oilers' different breakout. Their D didn't suddenly get better, they're just blindly throwing it in a different direction.

Throw it up 6' off the boards, collapse if Florida gets it. That's the Oilers' D system. Neutral zone trap would give them absolute fits, or for a more aggressive approach, sending 2 deep against their bottom 2 pairings with the D hanging back for the stretch would also neutralize a lot of their speed against the bottom lines.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching Paul make no adjustments.

Maurice is not a very good tactical coach.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Okay.

Calgary Draft History:
2000: 9th
2001: 14th
2002: 10th
2003: 9th
2004: 24th
2005: 26th
2006: 26th
2007: 24th
2008: 25th
2009: 23rd
2010: No pick
2011: 13th
2012: 21st
2013: 6th
2014: 4th
2015: No pick
2016: 6th
2017: 16th
2018: No pick
2019: 26th
2020: 24th
2021: 13th
2022: No pick
2023: 16th

The Flames made the playoffs 10 times since the 1999-2000 season, and have won 5 series in that time (6 if you want to count that qualifying round during the shutdown). Over the course of the last 24 drafts, the Flames have made 20 1st round picks with an average position of 16.75

Edmonton Draft History:
2000: 17th
2001: 13th
2002: 15th
2003: 22nd
2004: 14th
2005: 25th
2006: No pick
2007: 6th
2008: 22nd
2009: 10th
2010: 1st
2011: 1st
2012: 1st
2013: 7th
2014: 3rd
2015: 1st
2016: 4th
2017: 22nd
2018: 10th
2019: 8th
2020: 14th
2021: 22nd
2022: 32nd
2023: No Pick

The Oilers made the playoffs 10 times since the 1999-2000 season, and have won 9 series in that time. Over the course of the last 24 drafts, the Oilers have made 22 1st round picks with an average position of 12.27

So if the Oilers walked around the desert for 5 years, just what in the hell were the Flames doing that was in any way better?

I'm not making the Oilers out to be the best run team in the world, and I've dumped on them plenty - but the Flames have been worse, so if you're dumping on the Oilers...well, what about the Flames? The Oilers have made the Stanley Cup Final twice in 19 years, meanwhile the Flames have made it once in the last 35 years. From 2000-Current, the Flames won 910 regular season games and the Oilers won 848 regular season games, while the Flames won 38 playoff games and the Oilers have won 56 playoff games.

You note it took the Oilers 9 years (2015 -> 2024) - it took the Avalanche the exact same number of years to make it there after they drafted MacKinnon (2013 -> 2022). It took Tampa 12 years (2008 -> 2020).

It takes time to build a Championship-quality team, and even if you want to say it's not a plan, I'd still argue that what they've done is closer to a 'plan' than what the Flames have executed over the same period of time.

Now excuse me as I go vomit this Oilers historical data out of my mind.

My post you quoted had absolutely nothing to with the Calgary Flames and I was in no way comparing the oilers to the Flames.

I never once said anything like "the Flames are amazing, they are doing things the right way"

My point was that the oilers are a #### organization that got lucky at the exact right moment. They didn't have a ####ing plan and they are not something any team should try to emulate.

[Steve Bozek]

IIRC, during the NY Rangers series, people were saying Reinhart was playing despite a probable shoulder injury and his shooting looked weak. In this series it sure looks like something isn’t right with him.

[Manhattanboy]

Almost at the point where I don’t care now -EDM has come this far so let them finish it, FLA has no one but themselves to blame.

Putting more money down on EDM.

Which should guarantee a Panthers win.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Ped

Home Ice is a thing, until it isn't. Momentum is a thing, until it isn't. The playoffs are all about narratives but in a Game 7, anything can still happen.

There have to be huge adjustments by the home side. Not only on the hockey side of it but mentally.

Study the tape of the big games you won and replicate that on the ice in practice.

Wash off the self-pity and just go win a game.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by butterfly

On the bright side, the goaltending argument is over. Why waste money on it if Adin Hill won and Stuart Skinner is a game away.

Have always believe that great goaltending + special teams = playoff success.

But maybe now it’s just competent goaltending and sound defensive structure.

All of a sudden EDM looks solid in their own end. Ekholm trade paying big dividends.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Have always believe that great goaltending + special teams = playoff success.

But maybe now it’s just competent goaltending and sound defensive structure.

All of a sudden EDM looks solid in their own end. Ekholm trade paying big dividends.

Great, that's one guy.

There's no reason why the bottom 4 shouldn't be exposed on a nightly basis aside from the opposition phoning it in when a couple of plays go sideways.

Teams letting their sub-optimal depth off the hook instead of challenging them is befuddling.

[iamca]

Originally Posted by blender

Maurice is not a very good tactical coach.

I don’t see Maurice being any better at strategy in this series either.


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[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ped

People really need to stop with the narrative that the NHL is somehow fixing this. It's absolutely ridiculous. The league doesn't give a crap about Edmonton, and would probably be happier if McDavid left for a bigger market.


I realize fans are grasping at straws but if you're thinking that way, not sure why you would still be at all invested in this league in any way.

So it’s not just me wondering when invoking swivel-eyed conspiracy theories became an essential part of being a fan. Are people just venting, or is this another symptom of the growing political paranoia in this country? Like, there’s no other possible explanation for your rivals winning a championship than sinister institutional forces working behind the scenes?

[Vinny01]

I think it is a coin flip who wins Monday. It feels like Edmonton makes the comeback but Florida has their back against the wall the first time in the playoffs and are at home. Oilers are likely heavy favorites now so the Panthers might be able to thrive in the underdog role

[ResAlien]

I’m still aghast at the catastrophic failure of the Florida panthers. To imagine a team could be this pathetic, this lackluster, this completely heartless while being a single game away from a Stanley cup victory?

Maybe they eke out a win on Monday but all signs point to a fourth straight curb stomping by an oiler team that looked dead in the water after game 3. Shocked isn’t even the right word as this is a turn of events no one could have foreseen for a Stanley cup final.

[Weitz]

Bought a ticket and driving from Nashville tomorrow. Let’s goooo!

[Roof-Daddy]

When a team rides a .950 goaltender all the way to finals and the he craters in the finals it's hard to recover.

That's what happened last year.

This year they made it to game 3 before Bob cratered and now the team is reeling because they've seen this movie before.

They gave up 43 goals in the first 20 games of the playoffs going 15-5
They've given up 18 goals in the last three games going 0-3

Bob is cooked
Panthers are cooked

[dino7c]

Panthers played well enough to win game 5 their goalie blew it. .700s goaltending the last 3 games honestly it doesnt matter how you play in front of that.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Panthers played well enough to win game 5 their goalie blew it. .700s goaltending the last 3 games honestly it doesnt matter how you play in front of that.

Bobrovsky is getting Markstrom’d.

[Mathgod]

Panthers need to think about it this way, while they were watching Vegas lift the cup, if they were told they'd be in game 7 of the SC final next year, they would have taken it and been ecstatic about it.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

When a team rides a .950 goaltender all the way to finals and the he craters in the finals it's hard to recover.

That's what happened last year.

This year they made it to game 3 before Bob cratered and now the team is reeling because they've seen this movie before.

They gave up 43 goals in the first 20 games of the playoffs going 15-5
They've given up 18 goals in the last three games going 0-3

Bob is cooked
Panthers are cooked

This is simply not correct

I hate the simplistic view that if a goalie gets scored on, it’s his fault

That saucer pass from Draisaitl to Foegele didn’t go in because of #### goaltending

That is how you ####ing score

Breakaways where a guy makes the goalie move laterally and tucks it over pad, or off the skate blade of a stretched out goalie moving that way?

That is how you ####ing score

Deflections off a guy’s elbow, or the inside of Hyman’s leg? Puck luck, not #### goaltending

When Bob was in ‘god mode’ he made some great saves but they also put a lot of shots into his logo

Panthers didn’t lose because of goaltending this game

Game 5, sure thing - he should’ve had that McDavid shot. But game 6? No

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Bought a ticket and driving from Nashville tomorrow. Let’s goooo!

That’s a long drive!

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

That’s a long drive!

13 hours!

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Bought a ticket and driving from Nashville tomorrow. Let’s goooo!

We care?