Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Nothing is more dangerous to a country than young, hopeless, sexually-frustrated men

So that's what's driving Trudeau.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Actually young women are outbuying young men quite a bit now.
Buy your reasoning still applies if that's driving young male frustration.

Interesting, I thought it would be the opposite but like I say, I was just guessing.
I did find a poll from about ten years ago confirming your assertion. Maybe the poor prospect of home ownership is driving both demographics away from the LPC? Just young men are going conservative and women are leaning NDP.

[chemgear]

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ops-41-million

Canada’s population grew to top 41 million in the first quarter: StatCan

The agency says the population reached 41,012,563 on April 1, a gain of 242,673 people in the first three months of the year.

[Looch City]

+200,000 liberal voters just like that. TRDEAU SHOULD BE IN JAIL!!1

[Locke]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Nothing is more dangerous to a country than young, hopeless, sexually-frustrated men

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but there is actually a lot of merit in that statement.

[nik-]

I'm too scared to watch those because I don't want the algorithm to decide it's going to powerslam me through a MRA hole because of one video.

[Harry Lime]

Canada proudly sports the infrastructure for about 38M. I have a mental image of about 3M dudes standing in a field in Saskatchewan.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Young men leaning to conservative, i would guess is due to a few factors

1. They aren't as anxious about threats to reproduction rights.
2. They don't gain benefits from social programs that left wing parties promise like child care. ( less the case if they have started families, but most people these days are having children after 30).
3. a general disillusionment with taxes vs the services provided.
4. "saving the environment is gay"
5. a cultural shift popular in left wing media that perpetuates negative stereotypes of straight men.

1. Nobody is falling for the fear mongering anymore. People are smarter.
2. Possibly. Or they understand that nothing is free. We pay for it all.
3. Bingo
4. More so not happy about extra taxation.
5. Have no idea about that.

[Ped]

Rebel News admits to driving a truck around Toronto spewing hateful messages.


https://www.cp24.com/news/rebel-news...unit-1.6934757

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

1. Nobody is falling for the fear mongering anymore. People are smarter.
2. Possibly. Or they understand that nothing is free. We pay for it all.
3. Bingo
4. More so not happy about extra taxation.
5. Have no idea about that.

Given the gendered split it would suggest that women are basing there choices are reproductive rights whether the fear is real or imagined.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

Two really good 'Big Think' presentations on how the world has changed, and continues to change, for men. One from a man's perspective and another from a woman. The one from the man had a longer, 1 hour version that I had watched. Both offer some interesting perspectives:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBG1Wgg32Ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rk1ArxetMU

I feel like a lot of what I see ties to the points raised in the above presentations. Certainly some food for thought.

Those were interesting, thanks for posting.

[CliffFletcher]

The gender gap among young voters is largely a reflection of the widening gender gap in education. Political affiliation increasingly maps to educational attainment, and young women today are almost 50 per cent more likely to have a post-secondary degree than young men. Women are also much more likely than men to work in the big public sector employers of education and health care, so it’s unsurprising to see strong support for parties affiliated with public-sector unions.

It’s a mistake to focus on young men becoming more conservative than they were in the past- that’s not really happening. What’s happening is college-educated women are becoming much more liberal.

And this isn’t just a Canadian thing - it’s happening across developed democracies, including Europe and East Asia.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GGG

Given the gendered split it would suggest that women are basing there choices are reproductive rights whether the fear is real or imagined.

That’s probably true to some extent in North America. But the gender split in politics is also happening in Northern Europe, where reproductive rights are nowhere on the political agenda.

[Ped]

The Liberals suggesting that anyone who opposes them is because of the rise of far-right populism is denial of their own issues of the most delusional caliber. While certainlhy it is the case in many people, it is not the truth for all, and this kind of tone-deafness is really one of the worst things about politics in general and this version of the Liberals more specifically

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ped

The Liberals suggesting that anyone who opposes them is because of the rise of far-right populism is denial of their own issues of the most delusional caliber. While certainlhy it is the case in many people, it is not the truth for all, and this kind of tone-deafness is really one of the worst things about politics in general and this version of the Liberals more specifically

It’s actually pretty effective politics for the Liberals to run against American Republicans, with Canadian conservative parties as a proxy. It has worked in the past.

The problem is that dog doesn’t hunt when you’re the incumbent and the electorate is far more concerned with their rent/mortgage and grocery bills than what Donald Trump says about immigrants.

[CaptainCrunch]

The problem for the Liberals is that people have simply stopped listening and made a decision that Trudeau has to go.

Based maybe round the Liberals track record on scandals, and that they aren't seen as an honest government, and the lying is systemic.

The last month has been a series of hammer blows, the interference report, reports on poverty and food bank usage, new scandals around the Green Fund, and the "Other Randy", and MP's coming out not only the boohoo cry some more from one Liberal MP followed by another MP on the last day of parliament holding up a coffee cup with that logo on it. Trudeau spinning up a $220,000 10 day in flight catering menu.

Politics is all about perception, the Liberals haven't helped themselves, and to add on they just simply look like they're either lying about, or running from everything.

Honestly and to steal from Jim Cornette, I'm just a small town bird lawyer but, even Jagmeet Singh has hurt himself and his party by sticking with their support agreement with the Liberals, with a hand on 10 and 2 position of determination to ride it to the end. When you look like your supporting a corrupt, and dishonest party, you become a corrupt and dishonest party, that's the label you're hit with and it opens up logic lines like Jagmeet is just in it for the pension.

The Liberal PMO office under Katie Telford and when Butts was there, used to be brilliant, they were on top of their comms, they had a good strategy of getting things away from key issues and into wedge issues, and the Conservatives would take the bait everytime. Now when you follow the Liberal Comms, it just seems tired, and out of touch, and for some reason, it feels like the way they communicate just sets up home run slams by angry Canadians.

I'm not saying that PP is a good choice for the PM's change

(In fact I have the cynical belief that nothing on the tax front is going to change if he does win, because it feels like the books are in terrible shape).

But he hasn't risen to the bait, he hasn't given the Liberals a lot of oxygen, but he's shifted the narrative from platform, to straight out "These people are incompetent and corrupt and its time for a change."

I at this point, don't even think that the Liberals changing leaders is going to make a sharp change, the obvious replacements like Freeland, Anaud, Oregan(sp?) and others, have too much Trudeau and corrupt Liberal stink on them. they might as well get Mark Gerrettsen into the leaders role and take the pummelling and rebuild the party.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It’s actually pretty effective politics for the Liberals to run against American Republicans, with Canadian conservative parties as a proxy. It has worked in the past.

The problem is that dog doesn’t hunt when you’re the incumbent and the electorate is far more concerned with their rent/mortgage and grocery bills than what Donald Trump says about immigrants.

I don't know if its going to work this time around, you're right, in your second paragraph.



IF we didn't have these systemic issues like rent and food and productivity and GDP issues, and didn't have body blows hitting the Liberals every day, the whole Maga attack that worked really well last time might gain from traction.



But it feels like Canadians are just utterly and completely done with the Liberals and Trudeau.

[DFO]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It’s actually pretty effective politics for the Liberals to run against American Republicans, with Canadian conservative parties as a proxy. It has worked in the past.

But it’s not a one sided deal - the Conservatives ARE leaning into much of the right wing BS we see front and center stateside. I’ve voted Conservative more often than not but there is no way PP and this current iteration of that party will get my vote. Might vote NDP as a simple protest.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by DFO

Might vote NDP as a simple protest.

I really wish there was a check box for a protest vote.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by DFO

But it’s not a one sided deal - the Conservatives ARE leaning into much of the right wing BS we see front and center stateside. I’ve voted Conservative more often than not but there is no way PP and this current iteration of that party will get my vote. Might vote NDP as a simple protest.

Vote Rhinoceros if there's an option! Used to vote conservative, used to vote Liberal, can't do either anymore (conservatives have gone off the deep end and I'll vote liberal once a leadership change / house cleaning happens). NDP is far too left (for me, anyways).

Rhino party gets my vote. One of their platforms is to provide power for Canada by capturing all the hot air that comes from Ottawa!