2007 CONCACAF Gold Cup

[evman150]

Ranked ahead of the 2010 World Cup host South Africa.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Sowa

I'm not trying to rain on anybodies parade but those fifa rankings are so terrible. You have one upset win and you jump a ridiculous amount of spots (not talking about Canada just in general). Games that not even a top squad plays affects the rankings too much. The US was top 10 going into the World Cup look how that ended up. They shouldn't rank teams who honestly cares? Just award the teams the cups they win and that should show who is dominating.

Pretty much, but the rankings will always be there. To be fair, they just totally reworked the ranking system to make it even more wildly unpredictable and irrelevant.

Originally Posted by evman150

Ranked ahead of the 2010 World Cup host South Africa.

That just proves Sowa's point, and it is a good point. South Africa would tear Canada apart if they both fielded their best teams. Canada gets huge breaks because we play against 2-3rd line Squads. Jumping 38 spots because we posted wins against Costa Rica and Haiti? What about Losing to Guadalupe. Armenia jumped 48 spots for beating Poland 1-0?

Those rankings are wildly inaccurate.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Locke

Pretty much, but the rankings will always be there. To be fair, they just totally reworked the ranking system to make it even more wildly unpredictable and irrelevant.



That just proves Sowa's point, and it is a good point. South Africa would tear Canada apart if they both fielded their best teams. Canada gets huge breaks because we play against 2-3rd line Squads. Jumping 38 spots because we posted wins against Costa Rica and Haiti? What about Losing to Guadalupe. Armenia jumped 48 spots for beating Poland 1-0?

Those rankings are wildly inaccurate.

not to nitpick, but they also tied venezuela 2-2, and the loss to guadalupe doesn't factor in to the fifa world rankings because they are not a recognized nation within FIFA, so effectively, they were 2 wins and a draw.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

not to nitpick, but they also tied venezuela 2-2, and the loss to guadalupe doesn't factor in to the fifa world rankings because they are not a recognized nation within FIFA, so effectively, they were 2 wins and a draw.

All the more reason the ratings are junk, no? Canada loses to a team that isn't even recognized, and who is essentially France's farm team, and yet they go up 38 places?

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

All the more reason the ratings are junk, no? Canada loses to a team that isn't even recognized, and who is essentially France's farm team, and yet they go up 38 places?

hey, i agree, just adding to the point.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

not to nitpick, but they also tied venezuela 2-2, and the loss to guadalupe doesn't factor in to the fifa world rankings because they are not a recognized nation within FIFA, so effectively, they were 2 wins and a draw.

I hear what you're saying, but the rankings are just weird. Brazil was #1 for damn near a decade. Almost ever since the ranking list even came out. I always believe that regardless of the ranking system, the team that wins the World Cup should be #1 until the next one. Thats just the way I see it.

And, if its a match played in a conference competition, then it shouldnt matter who was being played, points should still be taken into consideration. Not that Guadalupe would receive many points for beating Canada, but its a conference competition, how can it not count? Or, rather, how can an unrecognized country compete?

Thats like letting a random european hockey team play in one of the conference finals during the Stanley Cup playoffs. Weird.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Locke

I hear what you're saying, but the rankings are just weird. Brazil was #1 for damn near a decade. Almost ever since the ranking list even came out. I always believe that regardless of the ranking system, the team that wins the World Cup should be #1 until the next one. Thats just the way I see it.

And, if its a match played in a conference competition, then it shouldnt matter who was being played, points should still be taken into consideration. Not that Guadalupe would receive many points for beating Canada, but its a conference competition, how can it not count? Or, rather, how can an unrecognized country compete?

definitely, they might have some credence if there was at least a formula or something else of that nature that went into determining just how the rankings are achieved. probably something that FIFA should consider, but they never will.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Maserati

gol tv shuld have it live i hope

yep, live @ 11:00.

[Maserati]

rankings dont mean much, football is too unpredictable..I've seen so many upsets and amazing matches where an underdog team whips a side with the big names.

[KTown]

Rankings in everything are stupid, but I can tell you this I sure as hell check them out every month.

It's a point system based on who you beat and how many goals your scored and got scored against.

Also certain matches are worth more. For example tournaments are worth more than Friendlies. World Cup has the most value followed by Euro Cup and world cup qualifying

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by KTown

Rankings in everything are stupid, but I can tell you this I sure as hell check them out every month.

It's a point system based on who you beat and how many goals your scored and got scored against.

Also certain matches are worth more. For example tournaments are worth more than Friendlies. World Cup has the most value followed by Euro Cup and world cup qualifying

that'a actually a really good point, though i think that the rankings are dumb, i too check them out every time that they are released.

[mrdeeds]

I have always thought that Canada got no love when it came to the rankings, but I do not put much credence in it. Just win, baby!

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Locke

Or, rather, how can an unrecognized country compete?

In the CONCACAF Gold Cup, I believe they invite two guest teams to play. Sometimes its fairly decent teams like Brazil's B squad, or sometimes its teams like Guadelope, which really only get to play friendlies and unsanctioned events since they are technically part of France.

[sadora]

I'll start off by saying that I'm glad that Canada is wining 3-nil over Guatemala. The second goal in particular was a great show of skill, but the game has been boring for the most part. Canada is definitely the stronger team here and could easily score at least two more goals in the second half because Guatemala hasn't even shown up to play. I wish that Canada would take even more advantage over Guatemala and stop playing in their own zone most of the time. That's my only complaint with the way they're playing right now. I counted at least 3 times they passed the ball to the keeper without being under pressure from Guatemala. It's been a so so performance from Canada in the first half, even though they're winning 3-nil. I hope for a more entertaining second half.

[Maserati]

Canada advanced to the Gold Cup semifinals for the first time since 2002 with a comprehensive 3-0 victory over Guatemala on Saturday afternoon at Gillette Stadium.

yanks playing panama right now pretty decent match..winner of thos match plays canada

[sadora]

Originally Posted by KTown

Rankings in everything are stupid, but I can tell you this I sure as hell check them out every month.

It's a point system based on who you beat and how many goals your scored and got scored against.

Also certain matches are worth more. For example tournaments are worth more than Friendlies. World Cup has the most value followed by Euro Cup and world cup qualifying

I think that perhaps you would feel differently if Canada was in the top ten in that list. The list doesn't really mean much, you're right, but it does give you a pretty good idea as to who the best teams are at any given point. You will notice too that six out of the top ten on that list are teams that have won the world cup before, sharing 16 out of 18 titles between them.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by sadora

I think that perhaps you would feel differently if Canada was in the top ten in that list. The list doesn't really mean much, you're right, but it does give you a pretty good idea as to who the best teams are at any given point. You will notice too that six out of the top ten on that list are teams that have won the world cup before, sharing 16 out of 18 titles between them.

I would think it'd be like the CHL Top 10, or CIS Top 10. The rankings can be weird, and difficult to judge fairly. There are a lot of problems with both. A few years ago I remember the CBU Capers won their division but were ranked lower than a team within their division nationally.

At the same time in the CHL after the Christmas trading period some teams can ice a drastically different team. Does this effect the rankings? Not in the short term. In 2002 Cape Breton had a mediocre first half, and tore it up in the second half, I don't think they made the Top 10 where a sliding Halifax who trailed off at the end of the season and were caught by Cape Breton were ranked.

There rankings are good as they give a general idea of how good teams are at the sport, however there is a method and formula to it which can be altered and biased. When I say biased I don't mean intentionally, just that it's debatable.

Any ranking system is the same way, I can tear apart the McLean's Magazine university ranking system. Yet people still use it as a gauge of how good an institution is.

If any thing it's a neat tidbit, but shouldn't be taken as fact.

[ricoFlame]

hey hey, big win, nice to see. the semifinal round match against the americans will be a great test, hopefully the fellas can rise to the occasion. nice.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

hey hey, big win, nice to see. the semifinal round match against the americans will be a great test, hopefully the fellas can rise to the occasion. nice.

This is a definite wait-and-see. On paper, the US should slap us around pretty easily, however, they havent been playing at their best and Canada has thus far played 3 almost technically perfect games.

The only issue with that is that Canada has been wasting chances, especially against a pretty awful Guatemala. That game could have been embarrassing but Canada just couldnt finish.

Overall, as a coach of a kids team myself, as well as a player in men's league, I subscribe heavily to the "Any Given Day" that is, any team can win any game school of thought.

If they're ready for this, they can do it, they've played well enough so far, but they're going to have to elevate their game a little to continue.

Locke.

[sadora]

Originally Posted by Locke

This is a definite wait-and-see. On paper, the US should slap us around pretty easily, however, they havent been playing at their best and Canada has thus far played 3 almost technically perfect games.

The only issue with that is that Canada has been wasting chances, especially against a pretty awful Guatemala. That game could have been embarrassing but Canada just couldnt finish.

Overall, as a coach of a kids team myself, as well as a player in men's league, I subscribe heavily to the "Any Given Day" that is, any team can win any game school of thought.

If they're ready for this, they can do it, they've played well enough so far, but they're going to have to elevate their game a little to continue.

Locke.

Canada will have to play much better against the Americans if they want to win. They beat Guatemala because they were the worse team on the pitch, not necessarily because of Canada's prowess. I thought that overall Canada played a bad game in the quarters so hopefully they can play themselves into form for the semifinals, otherwise the most Canada can hope for is a third place finish.