[Rumour] Contract talks with Kylington progressing

[Paulie Walnuts]

You don’t see people say well player X owes his team a discount because he tore his ACL and helped him rehab and come back.

Mental health is the same thing.

Kylington doesn’t owe anything to the Flames. As an employer they did the right thing. The Flames also don’t owe Kylington a thing either. Just like in any profession he can just be replaced.

If someone offered you more money you take it.

[Zary's-Mustache]

The Flames didn't even do the right thing, they did what they had to do.

They can't void his contract so the best thing for what they consider an asset is for him to get better and If staying away gets him better then it can be argued the Flames did what was best for the Flames too.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Just because they did the right thing doesn't mean they are owed anything for that. It just means they did the right thing. In fact, somehow if they suggested to Oliver that he did owe them something, it would no longer be handling it - in the right way.

It's not that the Flames would be initiating that.

IIRC is was actually Kylington that stated in one of his discussions talking about that that he felt he he "owed" a great deal of gratitude to the Flames for how they handled it.

Like I said...if I worked for a company that paid me $4M to be able to handle my mental health issues then I would feel like I owed them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kylington felt the same way.

Nobody ever said that the Flames should be going "we're only going to pay you this because you "owe" us."

[PaperBagger'14]

I feel like this shouldn’t be an overly difficult contract, with his contract being very hard and or expensive to insure as well as huge question marks about him being healthy enough to play out the whole contract.

[tkflames]

I don't think there are any IOUs here. To me it'd pretty simple...no one on the market is giving him term and he would be lucky to get $4m.

2 years at or below $4m and he gets to go into a comfortable situation to mitigate potential triggers...

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Like I said...if I worked for a company that paid me $4M to be able to handle my mental health issues then I would feel like I owed them.

You can feel any way you want and Kylington can feel any way he wants as well but lets stop with the Flames did him a favor and paid him when they couldn't have.

They absolutely had to pay him.

They may have been nice about allowing him to stay away but they couldn't have just not paid him.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's not that the Flames would be initiating that.

IIRC is was actually Kylington that stated in one of his discussions talking about that that he felt he he "owed" a great deal of gratitude to the Flames for how they handled it.

Like I said...if I worked for a company that paid me $4M to be able to handle my mental health issues then I would feel like I owed them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kylington felt the same way.

Nobody ever said that the Flames should be going "we're only going to pay you this because you "owe" us."

If another company offered you $8M for the same job, though, you’d take it.

Owing gratitude is vastly different than owing money, and it’s not what people are talking about when they talk about what is “owed.”

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If another company offered you $8M for the same job, though, you’d take it.

Owing gratitude is vastly different than owing money, and it’s not what people are talking about when they talk about what is “owed.”

Maybe.

If I'm happy with the team and situation and know the company supported me and they are offering me 2 years at $7M and another company is offering me 2 years at $8M I would consider the circumstance and situation and would probably take the $1M less to stay in a good situation.

As long as the Flames offer is fair (and they aren't lowballing him) then I think this should be an easy contract to get done.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe.

If I'm happy with the team and situation and know the company supported me and they are offering me 2 years at $7M and another company is offering me 2 years at $8M I would consider the circumstance and situation and would probably take the $1M less to stay in a good situation.

As long as the Flames offer is fair (and they aren't lowballing him) then I think this should be an easy contract to get done.

You’d give up two million dollars because someone did you a solid?

I wouldn’t give up 50k because someone did me a solid.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You’d give up two million dollars because someone did you a solid?

I wouldn’t give up 50k because someone did me a solid.

Are you making 350K now?

The marginal utility of 50K to most people is a lot more than an extra million to someone who's already got 7.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Are you making 350K now?

The marginal utility of 50K to most people is a lot more than an extra million to someone who's already got 7.

I was being nice. I wouldn’t even give up a bi-weekly paycheque.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I was being nice. I wouldn’t even give up a bi-weekly paycheque.

I wouldn’t give back even a single sick day.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You’d give up two million dollars because someone did you a solid?

I wouldn’t give up 50k because someone did me a solid.

If my mental health is important to me then yeah I'd stay where I know I was in a good situation with good people instead of chasing an extra $1M and who knows how they are going to treat you or if they will have the same values if something comes up.

Money is only part of the equation and in my experience chasing the absolute maximum money doesn't always work out.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If my mental health is important to me then yeah I'd stay where I know I was in a good situation with good people instead of chasing an extra $1M and who knows how they are going to treat you or if they will have the same values if something comes up.

Money is only part of the equation and in my experience chasing the absolute maximum money doesn't always work out.

But none of this has anything to do with the concept of “owing” it to them.

I think you’ve kind of inadvertently made my point for me.

Like, sure, you’d stay… if:
- the money difference was small and
- the situation was a good fit for you and
- you liked and respected the people and
- you were worried how someone else would treat you and
- you aren’t sure about the values the other option has and

But if:
- the money was double or
- you were sure the situation was just as good or
- you liked and respected the people elsewhere or
- your values aligned with the other option

…then you wouldn’t stay, certainly not because you “owe” them. Like yeah, if you have a dozen reasons to take less money you might take less money, but nobody here is taking less money (especially not a LOT less) based on the feeling that they owe their employer.

Looking at it the other way, when a player takes a “home town discounts” or some kind of discount to keep a playoff team together, nobody thinks the team “owes” him another contract at a higher salary after that.

[dissentowner]

It doesn't matter, the Flames chose to be great about it unlike what our favourite troll ZM is saying. Kylington has publically said how grateful he was for the way the organization handled it, they could have tried to push the contract and they didn't. Both sides were professional and the Flames did a lot to help him, they were not forced into being a good organization. Anything to trash the organization though.

[The Cobra]

Query why he isn’t signed. I believe it’s because he’s uncertain he wants to return to the NHL, not because the flames lowballed him.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

Lock him up

That’s a bit extreme. He’s not a criminal.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It doesn't matter, the Flames chose to be great about it unlike what our favourite troll ZM is saying. Kylington has publically said how grateful he was for the way the organization handled it, they could have tried to push the contract and they didn't. Both sides were professional and the Flames did a lot to help him, they were not forced into being a good organization. Anything to trash the organization though.

ZM is a troll because he/she has a different opinion that yours??? Good grief!

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nobody said they would void his contract. They definitely had the choice to not pay him.

Still waiting for you and supermatt to backup this claim.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Dion

ZM is a troll because he/she has a different opinion that yours??? Good grief!

No, he is a troll because of what he posts constantly. Are you saying you agree the Flames didn't do anything appreciative here, didn't handle it well, and deserve no credit because they were forced into the situation?