[Trade] Kings trade PLD to Caps for Darcy Kuemper (one for one)

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

If PLD can be moved..does this mean Flames could potentially move Hubey??

Yes, for equivalent garbage

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

If PLD can be moved..does this mean Flames could potentially move Hubey??

I doubt it. PLD still has the big PPG center potential that GMs will be dumb for and is young

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I doubt it. PLD still has the big PPG center potential that GMs will be dumb for and is young

He was traded for a guy that lost his job to a journeyman with a bad contract

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

He was traded for a guy that lost his job to a journeyman with a bad contract

Yeah, but a GM still wanted him because he is young and has potential to be a highly coveted asset. Can't say the same about Huberdeau.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I doubt it. PLD still has the big PPG center potential that GMs will be dumb for and is young

The analogy is that GMs are kind of wishful thinkers. They see potential in PLD’s toolbox and think they will be the team to get through to him (it’s now happened twice). And GMs could look at Huberdeau’s pre-Flames numbers and think they have the team to unlock that. TBF there are change of scenery success stories.

But the age and contract structure are barriers.

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

This is the big difference. It's "only" 3 years at 5 mill.
Way smaller than Dubois' awful contract.

Yep, I agree. I was just pointing out that Kuemper isn’t a decent goalie anymore

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The analogy is that GMs are kind of wishful thinkers. They see potential in PLD’s toolbox and think they will be the team to get through to him (it’s now happened twice). And GMs could look at Huberdeau’s pre-Flames numbers and think they have the team to unlock that. TBF there are change of scenery success stories.

But the age and contract structure are barriers.

It's the reason so many 1st round picks that didn't pan out keep getting opportunities as every GM thinks/hopes they could be the team to bring out the full potential of the player. It's also why so many bad contracts are handed out in free agency as GM's fool themselves into thinking that these aging players will be able to maintain a high level of play into their 30's.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The analogy is that GMs are kind of wishful thinkers. They see potential in PLD’s toolbox and think they will be the team to get through to him (it’s now happened twice). And GMs could look at Huberdeau’s pre-Flames numbers and think they have the team to unlock that. TBF there are change of scenery success stories.

But the age and contract structure are barriers.

Oh I get it but the contract, position, and age makes it a lot tougher. The only hope is a Karlsson scenario but Huberdeau would have to have a 100 point season

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's the reason so many 1st round picks that didn't pan out keep getting opportunities as every GM thinks/hopes they could be the team to bring out the full potential of the player. It's also why so many bad contracts are handed out in free agency as GM's fool themselves into thinking that these aging players will be able to maintain a high level of play into their 30's.

Yeah, that's my point. And the odd time it works out gives them hope.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Oh I get it but the contract, position, and age makes it a lot tougher. The only hope is a Karlsson scenario but Huberdeau would have to have a 100 point season

All true. Frankly, I don't mind having Huberdeau around the kids, at least until cap is an issue. Effort, attitude and even on ice product - Huberdeau > PLD.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

All true. Frankly, I don't mind having Huberdeau around the kids, at least until cap is an issue. Effort, attitude and even on ice product - Huberdeau > PLD.

Yeah. The only way I’d want a swap for PLD is if they bought him out right after lol. At least Huberdeau isn’t like Neal

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

LA is a bigger crap city (...literally) than either Columbus or Winnipeg. There's a reason why money is fleeing LA/California.

What you're thinking of when you picture LA is LA in the 80s.

Thanks, I'm over 60 and in the 80's I'm in my 20's so LA was quite wonderful and I've only been there a few times since.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

LA is a bigger crap city (...literally) than either Columbus or Winnipeg. There's a reason why money is fleeing LA/California.

What you're thinking of when you picture LA is LA in the 80s.

Couldn't disagree more.

Socal is Socal.

Although i like Norcal more.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

LA is a bigger crap city (...literally) than either Columbus or Winnipeg. There's a reason why money is fleeing LA/California.

What you're thinking of when you picture LA is LA in the 80s.

I don't think so.

I think a lot of the players are in Manhattan Beach.

LA is a prime time destination. Millionaire athletes don't live in the gutters of LA lol.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

All true. Frankly, I don't mind having Huberdeau around the kids, at least until cap is an issue. Effort, attitude and even on ice product - Huberdeau > PLD.

Huby seems like a buttoned down dude that has a good work ethic and positive outlook. That’s the kind of veteran influence you want on the youngsters so while his contract isn’t ideal, it could be a lot worse.

[Shazam]

There's LA the city, which has turned into a dump.

There's LA the county, which has many cities that are still nice.

Then there's Orange County, which is what many people think LA is like, but is its own thing.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by sch19lks

Kuemper sucks

A lot of fans keep missing this. He’s signed for three more years at over 5 shmil.

LA hasn’t fixed their goaltending. Kuemper sucks. Like sucks lots

He's fine. I think he can do better for LA than Rittich and Talbot. He didn't do well for Washington but he was good enough for his other teams.

He's not the guy who carries you to a championship but if you build the team properly he can help you out. LA isn't that team but he helps them be more competitive while they look for their top goalie.

Talbot was UFA too, so who know if he had interest in returning to LA. Now they have Kuemper and Rittich.

Plus, they got rid of Dubois and that terrible contract. They're saving just over $3M in Cap hit from this trade.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Buff

He's fine. I think he can do better for LA than Rittich and Talbot. He didn't do well for Washington but he was good enough for his other teams.

He's not the guy who carries you to a championship but if you build the team properly he can help you out. LA isn't that team but he helps them be more competitive while they look for their top goalie.

Talbot was UFA too, so who know if he had interest in returning to LA. Now they have Kuemper and Rittich.

Plus, they got rid of Dubois and that terrible contract. They're saving just over $3M in Cap hit from this trade.

It's amazing how many people have no ability to see a buy low scenario. Kuemper played on a bad Capitals team and had a bad year. In the last 6 years, 3 over .920 save percent and 5 over .900. 1 bad year and the guy is terrible now. Would not be shocked if he has a very good season in LA next year. .910+ save percent.

Dubois could be a buy low too, but if he isn't that contract is going to be awful for the Caps for a long time and with his attitude issues, he could play well for a while and then it could fall apart again later.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Buff

Talbot was UFA too, so who know if he had interest in returning to LA.

Or if they had interest in bringing him back.

Like Korpisalo last year he wasn't good enough for them in the playoffs. Atleast Rittich was fine in game 4 he just didn't get any help offensively.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

LA is a bigger crap city (...literally) than either Columbus or Winnipeg. There's a reason why money is fleeing LA/California.

What you're thinking of when you picture LA is LA in the 80s.

LOL, quit huffing propaganda. You think a 25-year old millionaire cares about the cost of renting an apartment or how many homeless people are in downtown LA? They're living on Manhattan Beach in the nicest climate on the continent with endless social and entertainment options. Yeah, I'm sure if you took a poll of young professional athletes they'd all be lining up to live in Winnipeg or Columbus over LA.

And don't even get started on LA in the '80s. Unless your only understanding of it is through movies from then, you'd realize that it was a vastly more dangerous and dumpy place back then. Do you think the LA riots happened because everyone was living in harmony?