[Trade] Markstrom (31.25% retained) traded to NJ for 2025 1st (top 10 protected) and Bahl

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

When was the last time you heard of any 34-year-old player, let alone a goalie, moved for this type of return? It happens extremely rarely.

Yep, the CP imagination proposal machine was revved up to full blast these past few weeks with 10th OA, but in the end it made no sense and this is likely close to what was discussed at the deadline.

Very happy with the return.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yep, the CP imagination proposal machine was revved up to full blast these past few weeks with 10th OA, but in the end it made no sense and this is likely close to what was discussed at the deadline.

Very happy with the return.

15-20 in 2025 draft or even better in 2026 may be just as good or better than 10OA in 2024

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Where would you put "many" as a percentage?

3%? 1%?

I posted many times that moving the goaltender at all was a win. 10th overall would be huge. 2025 1st would be a great second prize.

This landed where I thought it was going, and I think that lines up with the vast majority of people on this site.

We are always going to have 5% arguing with an optimistic lens, another 5% trying to spin things as negativity as possible.

But lets not lump in too much of that middle 90 with either group

I don't have a percentage, but certainly it was significant. I mean we were all reading the same threads, right? It was heavily focused on the 10th OA in proposals and discussion.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

[CapFriendly] "The Flames now have 15 picks in the first three rounds over the next three seasons." Six 1st Round Picks, Four 2nd Round Picks and Five 3rd Round Picks.“

I’m sure this has been posted already and discussed ad nauseam but I think this is a good trade as part of the bigger picture on the direction the flames are taking if they want to compete in the pacific division in a few years. Will be interesting to see if Anaheim and San Jose can turn it around too. Could have a stacked division in a few years. Don’t see Edmonton or Vancouver going anywhere. LA was much improved this season. And Vegas looks to have a few years left in their window.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I don't have a percentage, but certainly it was significant. I mean we were all reading the same threads, right? It was heavily focused on the 10th OA in proposals and discussion.

Was it though? By head count?

Or the same 5 guys answering every single post saying they weren't going to get much with the same base argument?

5 posters with a lot of volume isn't a greater minority.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Was it though? By head count?

Or the same 5 guys answering every single post saying they weren't going to get much with the same base argument?

5 posters with a lot of volume isn't a greater minority.

I'm genuinely curious now cause I remember it differently. I'm off today and tomorrow so I'll check back a bit for my own curiosity, haha.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

15-20 in 2025 draft or even better in 2026 may be just as good or better than 10OA in 2024

Maybe but if given a choice, I would take the 2024 10th overall now

It’s is what it is. Conroy got as much as he could. No need to spin it.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

1 season was wasted in that stupid Canadian bubble. 2 seasons marred in off ice drama with players wanting out, and a year with Sutter going crazy.

Not the best timeline to be a Flame. Was never a huge Markstrom fan to begin with though.

Been around since the beginning. 'Not the best timeline to be a Flame' applies to most of those 45 years

Good trade

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I don't have a percentage, but certainly it was significant. I mean we were all reading the same threads, right? It was heavily focused on the 10th OA in proposals and discussion.

Lots of people talked about 10A but I don't think it was a prediction or expectation. There were a lot of drooly "what if" scenarios in the draft thread.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I'm genuinely curious now cause I remember it differently. I'm off today and tomorrow so I'll check back a bit for my own curiosity, haha.

And I could be wrong too for sure.

I skim most of 5&5 crowd these days.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Lots of people talked about 10A but I don't think it was a prediction or expectation. There were a lot of drooly "what if" scenarios in the draft thread.

And a lot of people talked about the Flames adding, in order to get the 10th.

Also, you go into a trade asking for more than you think you'll get. If you went in asking for the '25 1st and Bahl, you probably walk away with a 2nd and Holtz (or worse).

It's discussion.

[InternationalVillager]

Have to also look at it this way:

The liability that was Markstrom for the Flames has been flipped to an Asset. The argument seems to be the size of that asset but what I feel is more important that some posters are missing is that the liability is OFF the Flames books. He wasn't doing anything for the team:

- If he played well, he was holding back the team from rebuilding like he did this past year otherwise the Flames would have had a top 5 pick.
- If he didn't play well, he would not be able to be traded and the Flames would just have to keep him on the roster.

In my eyes, it was a lose-lose situation with having him around.

Now with NJ, the liability is full on their books. This trade is ONLY GOOD for them in one scenario and that is that Markstrom plays lights out and stays healthy. I don't think this is a win for them if Markstrom gives them just average goaltending, flames out in the playoffs (pun intended) and/or gets injured. He's 35 years old and all these things are definitely on the table.

But now atleast the Flames fans can just watch it play out without potentially being left holding the bag.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don’t think devils could put the 2024 first on the table at deadline because there were conditions on the pick from Meir trade.

I think at worst conroy got what was offered at trade deadline. There was rumours of devils offering a 2nd round pick and holtz at deadline. At the time I didn’t believe it , but I’m starting to think that it could have been true.

This is correct, the Devils could never have offered the 2024 1st at the deadline, only after they failed to make the Eastern Conference Final could they trade that pick. So nobody has to stress about missing out on that pick at the deadline because the Devils did not have that pick to trade at the deadline.

[InternationalVillager]

BTW, this tidbit is something I received from someone I know:

the #10 pick 2024 was obviously discussed but it just wasn't worth the ask.

that leads me to believe... if the trade for #10 potentially wasn't one the following:

Markstrom
2024 #28

for

2024 #10
Bahl

At that point, I bet the Flames and their analytics department told Conroy that 2024 #28 + 2025/2026 1st round pick is worth more than 2024 #10.

Would you trade 2 first round picks mid to late for 1 #10 overall pick? I think the organization was just not comfortable in doing that. They would rather have 2 cracks at it with 2 players picked in the first round.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

BTW, this tidbit is something I received from someone I know:

the #10 pick 2024 was obviously discussed but it just wasn't worth the ask.

that leads me to believe... if the trade for #10 potentially wasn't one the following:

Markstrom
2024 #28

for

2024 #10
Bahl

At that point, I bet the Flames and their analytics department told Conroy that 2024 #28 + 2025/2026 1st round pick is worth more than 2024 #10.

Would you trade 2 first round picks mid to late for 1 #10 overall pick? I think the organization was just not comfortable in doing that. They would rather have 2 cracks at it with 2 players picked in the first round.

There was some speculation that NJD was asking for Coronato. That would mean throwing in a 13OA pick, to change the later first to a 10th. No way you do that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

A lot of fan proposals and what not got too complicated. It was not necessary.

The deal we made is great. Simple and we got another 1st round pick.

Trading a 1st round pick along with salary retention would have been terrible.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yep, the CP imagination proposal machine was revved up to full blast these past few weeks with 10th OA, but in the end it made no sense and this is likely close to what was discussed at the deadline.

Very happy with the return.

Interesting how those hype trains get started. Seems to be a regular thing, expectations are high only to be followed by disappointment.

Forgive my ignorance but what does top 10 protected mean? Like lottery protection? Does the pick then get deferred a year with no protection? Thx.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Interesting how those hype trains get started. Seems to be a regular thing, expectations are high only to be followed by disappointment.

Forgive my ignorance but what does top 10 protected mean? Like lottery protection? Does the pick then get deferred a year with no protection? Thx.

In this case, yes.

Conroy yesterday clarified that the return was a top 10 protected 2025 1st.
If NJ’s 2025 pick is top 10, they keep it and instead Calgary gets an unprotected 2026 1st

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Interesting how those hype trains get started. Seems to be a regular thing, expectations are high only to be followed by disappointment.

Forgive my ignorance but what does top 10 protected mean? Like lottery protection? Does the pick then get deferred a year with no protection? Thx.

Yes. to 2026.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Interesting how those hype trains get started. Seems to be a regular thing, expectations are high only to be followed by disappointment.

Forgive my ignorance but what does top 10 protected mean? Like lottery protection? Does the pick then get deferred a year with no protection? Thx.

If New Jersey picks in the top 10 of 2025 we get 2026 with zero protection.